When is enough drama really enough?

[theleelajoker]

Many replies that focus on what or how I should do. Ok, got that. Doing the best to practice my equanimity, and it's getting better. 

But with few exceptions, almost nobody picked up the question of the drama (conflicts, tensions, anger, violence, war, deseases, famine, climate change etc) in the world. 

No matter how great my equanimity, this drama won't go aways, will it? You might say consciousness ("it") has to learn how to live peacefully, how to integrate etc.  But as of now, I just don't believe that. I rather believe it could stop it any moment but has other reasons to keep it up. 

Maybe I'm wrong, and I obviously don't know, but I simply don't believe that it's " just happening" and there's no other way.

If you tell me that I could immediately stop if I only do XYZ, then it should also be able to do it on a global basis right?

[Someone here]

8 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

Many replies that focus on what or how I should do. Ok, got that. Doing the best to practice my equanimity, and it's getting better. 

But with few exceptions, almost nobody picked up the question of the drama (conflicts, tensions, anger, violence, war, deseases, famine, climate change etc) in the world. 

No matter how great my equanimity, this drama won't go aways, will it? You might say consciousness ("it") has to learn how to live peacefully, how to integrate etc.  But as of now, I just don't believe that. I rather believe it could stop it any moment but has other reasons to keep it up. 

Maybe I'm wrong, and I obviously don't know, but I simply don't believe that it's " just happening" and there's no other way.

If you tell me that I could immediately stop if I only do XYZ, then it should also be able to do it on a global basis right?

We already gave you the absolute answer . You are never going to solve drama by starting drama about drama . You are posting in the spirituality section so we are giving you a spiritual absolutist type of answer ..we are not experts in economics or archeology or something.  The bottom line is you are the one and only source of drama in this world .if you look outside of yourself then sure people are a bunch assholes spewing endless nonsensical suffering stories on top of life ..always was ..always will be . The point is you don't have to engage in this bs .look inward .nothing is happening inside of you .extend the line ..nothing is happening inside anyone .anchor yourself in that inner silence. That place where all is well. Unless you enjoy drama.

Edited 19 hours ago by Someone here

[Flowerfaeiry]

You talk about “drama” which I perceive as a petty thing, but you also talk about deep suffering which is more serious. They are two very different things although can overlap in ways. 
 

Deep suffering is not a thing that can just be erased “like that”. If this were possible humans would have done it. Instead we see thousands of practices that attempt to erase it, but never quite get there. In fact the more one walks lovingly on such a path the more accepting and understanding they become of this fact. 

Now to the best of my ability I’m going to answer what we are trying to distract ourselves from. From my understanding it’s a deep emptiness and a fear of death. Simply put. Where do you go from here? It’s tough, life keeps happening and you will (hopefully) grow older and have more experiences of a wide variety. I don’t think the ache ever goes away to be honest. Thankfully I found God and he’s my rock. But I still suffer like everyone else. 

 

[theleelajoker]

7 hours ago, Flowerfaeiry said:

Deep suffering is not a thing that can just be erased “like that”. If this were possible humans would have done it. Instead we see thousands of practices that attempt to erase it, but never quite get there. In fact the more one walks lovingly on such a path the more accepting and understanding they become of this fact. 

That's exactly the assumption I am questioning. 

Many people here tell me that I as an individual could stop drama. Instantly. So if I could do it, why not consciousness or Brahman or God or whatever you want to call it?

[Flowerfaeiry]

3 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

That's exactly the assumption I am questioning. 

Many people here tell me that I as an individual could stop drama. Instantly. So if I could do it, why not consciousness or Brahman or God or whatever you want to call it?

There are certainly times when drama stops instantly! But it is certain to come back. I don’t subscribe to a lot of the beliefs that circulate on here. 

[UnbornTao]

Find some drama first, and ask yourself what your role in it is. Where does the drama exist?

[Flowerfaeiry]

@theleelajoker You know the question: why dos God allow suffering? Is one of the biggest questions to ask and I’ll be honest, I still wonder about it. One of the things I think is: would it be perfectly loving and just to stop all suffering right now? 

[Eskilon]

@theleelajoker The thing is, I don't think drama really exist. You are a mind interpreting certain phenomena as "drama". But all that is just phenomena in consciousness happening.

If you been practicing meditation, you probably have encountered the Ox in some way. You need to watch your self, or your consciouness intepreting stuff and stay more in it purest form. In that form theres no drama, there's just watching. Mind is very subtle to start judging stuff as drama, bs or something like that. You need to catch THAT moment and see that it is you that is doing that. 

Keep watching youself and abide in awareness only, the drama will go away even with eyes open.

Edited 7 hours ago by Eskilon

[theleelajoker]

So if I stop judging things as "dramatic", then the war in Ukraine stops?

If I just watch people dieing in the streets in front of me without movement in my mind, then they become healthy again?

If I questions my role in the scene, then the woman asking me for help because she gets beaten at home suddenly lives peacefully with her husband?

You mostly only assume scenarios where something happens to me - I lose my job, a friend dies, someone insults me etc - and then tell me "don't react then drama stops". Yes, that's part of it.

But I'm taking about more then that. And I don't need more advice on how to not react and questioning my role in drama etc. Don't know where I fail to communicate that I'm not interested and did not ask for that kind of advice.

Edited 6 hours ago by theleelajoker

[theleelajoker]

1 hour ago, Flowerfaeiry said:

@theleelajoker You know the question: why dos God allow suffering? Is one of the biggest questions to ask and I’ll be honest, I still wonder about it. One of the things I think is: would it be perfectly loving and just to stop all suffering right now? 

Good questions, and I don't know the final answers. I terms of war my first reflex is that the amount of suffering, death, rape, destruction can't really be worth whatever benefits arise.

Thanks that you actually pick up the intention of my posts and constructively discuss it with me. 

Edited 6 hours ago by theleelajoker

[theleelajoker]

51 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

@theleelajoker The thing is, I don't think drama really exist. You are a mind interpreting certain phenomena as "drama". But all that is just phenomena in consciousness happening.

That's one way of looking at it. Don't buy that though, the experiences of suffering for me were/ are real and if I look at others, same seems to apply for them.

To be extreme: Don't think you would say the same thing when you bleed to death while your loved ones get raped in front of you 

Edited 6 hours ago by theleelajoker

[Eskilon]

14 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

That's one way of looking at it. Don't buy that though, the experiences of suffering for me were/ are real and if I look at others, same seems to apply for them.

To be extreme: Don't think you would say the same thing when you bleed to death while your loved ones get raped in front of you 

You are too identified with your ego, thats why you judge things(I am too, I am not completely aware of everthing at all times). 

But I think its really that simple, you are judging things and fighting maya. Maya wont go away, but your whole context and point of view in it might change drastically. Think like being lucid in a dream, the dream continues but everything loses weight because you have seen through it. I am not saying I am lucid yet, but I a working on it and everyday the old teachings of the east seems more and more true.

Continue to work on spirituality and eventually drama will lose its weight, seems simple and boring but it is the way, ego is the source of all problems and questions.

Edited 6 hours ago by Eskilon

[Carl-Richard]

If you are watching a show, why not enjoy it? If it's a cringe show, then cringe about how bad it is. But having an existential crisis about how the show is constructed, that is not needed.

[theleelajoker]

13 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

You are too identified with your ego, thats why you judge things(I am too, I am not completely aware of everthing at all times). 

But I think its really that simple, you are judging things and fighting maya. Maya wont go away, but your whole context and point of view in it might change drastically. Think like being lucid in a dream, the dream continues but everything loses weight because you have seen through it. I am not saying I am lucid yet, but I a working on it and everyday the old teachings of the east seems more and more true.

Continue to work on spirituality and eventually drama will lose its weight, seems simple and boring but it is the way, ego is the source of all problems and questions.

I can follow your logic, and I see some validity in it. Definitely.

The thing is, that I AM judging Maya. You're absolutely right. And I am questioning a) if that's really the way it needs to be b) of that's really the experience "it"  - in form of us humans - wants to have. Because when I look around the world, I don't get the impression thats a) and b) is the case.

Maybe I'm wrong? Maybe I'm biased? Yeah yeah sure. It's just my opinion. As I tried to make the point before, the way I look at the world reminds me of a series that got overboard with too much emotions, conflict, violence, tension etc. Or like a meal that got salted too much. Some is fine, but too much is simply too much.

[theleelajoker]

2 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

If you are watching a show, why not enjoy it? If it's a cringe show, then cringe about how bad it is. But having an existential crisis about how the show is constructed, that is not needed.

You are contradicting yourself. If I cringe about it or if have an existential crisis, that's just play of words. 

I watch the show, I participate in it, and I wonder if that is really the best it can do.i don't feel like it is right now.