What's the Difference Between Consciousness and Intelligence?

[Eskilon]

8 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Why can't there be both.  If you dont experience it and go through what it is to be finite then you cant actually know

Yes, I can see that. But you said being finite is more valuable than being infinite --- I don't think this is necessarily true.

If reality is infinite, as far as I can tell right now, it is a mystery on why it drops out of infinite state to the finite.

You can say to know, but if it were infinite in the first place it already knew, why did it forget??? To know again?? 

Edited 18 hours ago by Eskilon

[Breakingthewall]

11 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Silly.

Do you need to insult to affirm your beliefs?

11 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Can it possibly be that you are creating all of reality without being aware of it?

It's not possible for a mind that needs to believe in a bearded God. But reality is not created. Who created the creator? 

11 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

After all you dream amazing things and have no idea how you do it.  All the characters.  All the detail.  And yet as you dream it you arent conscious of how you are doing it.  Its the magic of Inifnity.  Maybe reality is the same thing. 

No, the dreams are created based in perceived reality. If "god" creates the reality based in anything else, then that anything else would be the source, not god. 

[Breakingthewall]

11 hours ago, LastThursday said:

Consciousness is supposedly such a thing. Nothing can limit consciousness, and consciousness can't limit itself (maybe?), so it is an absolute infinity.

Consciousness is just a form, it's not a substance. It's the fact of being conscious. Consciousness don't do things like creating forms because if it would do it would be a creator, not a consciousness. All the spirituality has been formulated by people, let's say, not very strict with the truth, more focused in emotional relief. Like: man, I awaken to infinite pure consciousness, and was so holy.... everything is going to be ok, don't fear. I don't know if you are following what I mean. Like kids. Not serious. All that stuff is nonsensical.

[Leo Gura]

On 2/8/2026 at 0:51 PM, Eskilon said:

Can you be infinitely intelligent without being infinitely conscious?

No

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Also, when you are infinitely conscious you don't necessarily know how to conjure a planet out of your ass… or do you??

You do. But no one is that conscious.

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Do you know the deep mechanics of how a planet or something like water is formed?

There isn't a mechanics. Mechanics is finite. The real mechanism is Infinity.

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Does being infinitely conscious mean you can do more things and understand how things work on the atomic level?

More, yes. Atomic, no.

Keep in mind that no human is infinitely conscious, so you are creating an impossible scenario. No human is even 1% conscious.

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How can someone be intelligent but not have that much consciousness?

Easy. The people you consider intelligent aren't really. They are neither highly intelligent nor conscious.

To a chimpanzee another chimpanzee seems intelligent. But all chimps are low intelligence in the grand scheme of things.

Edited 16 hours ago by Leo Gura

[bazera]

@Leo Gura

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You do. But no one is that conscious.

How do you know that? Have you been that conscious?

If yes, then are you saying this? => you can realize that every planet is manifested from Infinity, but you can't actually do it because ego is not in control when you are that conscious, and ego just can't override that desire.

If not, how do you know?

[AION]

Consciousness is the space, while intelligence is how to navigate the space. This kind of stuff is widely explained in the esoterica.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, bazera said:

@Leo Gura

How do you know that? Have you been that conscious?

If yes, then are you saying this? => you can realize that every planet is manifested from Infinity, but you can't actually do it because ego is not in control when you are that conscious, and ego just can't override that desire.

If not, how do you know?

How I know is by contemplating the nature and logic of God.

Obviously God is omniscient and omnipotent and infinitely intelligent. And obviously that comes from having infinite consciousness.

Consciousness = power

Just don't confuse this with the ego having its way. The ego cannot have this power.

[Inliytened1]

5 hours ago, Eskilon said:

Yes, I can see that. But you said being finite is more valuable than being infinite --- I don't think this is necessarily true.

If reality is infinite, as far as I can tell right now, it is a mystery on why it drops out of infinite state to the finite.

You can say to know, but if it were infinite in the first place it already knew, why did it forget??? To know again?? 

It imposes these limits on itself to feel limitation. Otherwise it could not be truly infinite.

[Inliytened1]

5 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

. But reality is not created. Who created the creator? 

 

If its Infinity then it would have the ability to create itself and thus reality. So you can look as God as either eternal meaning it was always there because it is infinite- or that it created itself. Its the same thing. Eternal is the same thing. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

14 hours ago, Joshe said:

Because words mean things. 

Anytime I've witnessed deep states of consciousness, there was only experience, not experiencer. There was no "me". I was not it. It just was. 

Congrats on enlightenment. 

[Joseph Maynor]

18 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

there is no creator. The creator is creation

Interesting insight.  You might want to drill down a bit more on this one.  This topic has fascinated me now for a while.

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Interesting insight.  You might want to drill down a bit more on this one.  This topic has fascinated me now for a while.

Yes it is the ultimate question for both philosophy and science - which will both merge in coming centuries.  Into mysticism IMO. But what are your conclusions Joseph.

Edited 11 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yes it is the ultimate question for both philosophy and science - which will both merge in coming centuries.  Into mysticism IMO. But what are your conclusions Joseph.

I am the Creator.

[Inliytened1]

23 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I am the Creator.

This the only possibility that remains when you deconstruct everything    Or you can just intuit it.

Edited 10 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Joseph Maynor]

26 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

This the only possibility that remains when you deconstruct everything    Or you can just intuit it.

And then the follow up question is are You the Creator?  

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

If its Infinity then it would have the ability to create itself and thus reality. So you can look as God as either eternal meaning it was always there because it is infinite- or that it created itself. Its the same thing. Eternal is the same thing. 

If if has an ability it should have a goal right? Then it has some concrete ideas about what it wants to produce. Where are those ideas? Are those ideas the source, prior of that god? Or maybe those ideas are a part of god, then they are the reality, then why that god wants to create a dream, if he already has those ideas about what he wants, that are more real than the reality?  Because he's bored, or there is nothing else to do? Like a game. So that God is an entity who's bored ? Then, what has created that entity? 

Edited 10 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Interesting insight.  You might want to drill down a bit more on this one.  This topic has fascinated me now for a while.

This is basic reasoning; you don't need to be enlightened or take psychedelic drugs to arrive at it.

Reality cannot have absolute limits because those limits would be something, which in turn would have to be limited, and so on. Therefore, there cannot be a creator because that creator would be an absolute limit.

Unlimited reality itself is both the creator and the creation. There cannot be an intention or a goal in creation because this goal would be an absolute limit. The only driving force of manifest existence can only be the absence of limits, which inevitably gives rise to fluctuations, changes of state relative to itself as a whole, which automatically replicate and expand to infinite power, creating infinite forms whose substance is the change of state, the reflection of one state in relation to another, accumulating in perfect coherences, since the incoherent, the not perfectly synchronized, simply does not appear. The substance of manifestación only can be change, vibration over vibration constructing patterns. 

What consciousness is is simply a coherent system that splits in two and observes itself. In our case, biological life creates a self-preserving universe with particular laws within another universe with global laws. In different realities, there will be different configurations of consciousness, but always dual. Patterns inside other patterns. 

There is no intention, only inevitability. There is no creator, only the absence of limits, manifesting in infinite realities made of no thing, of the inevitable change of state of that which has no limits, which we can call "absolute being." To be means to exist because nothing limits it; it is the totality, absolute potential. That is what we are; it is absolutely obvious, and there is not the slightest possibility of it being otherwise. I don't understand why no one sees the absolutely obvious

[Eskilon]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

It imposes these limits on itself to feel limitation. Otherwise it could not be truly infinite.

I guess the final answer is that our ego is absolutely inevitable. God didn't choose this in a particular sense, it just need to happen no matter what.

Every finitude must exist exactly as it is. Another way of saying is that God cant prevent itself from being limited.

[Joseph Maynor]

11 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

This is basic reasoning; you don't need to be enlightened or take psychedelic drugs to arrive at it.

Reality cannot have absolute limits because those limits would be something, which in turn would have to be limited, and so on. Therefore, there cannot be a creator because that creator would be an absolute limit.

Unlimited reality itself is both the creator and the creation. There cannot be an intention or a goal in creation because this goal would be an absolute limit. The only driving force of manifest existence can only be the absence of limits, which inevitably gives rise to fluctuations, changes of state relative to itself as a whole, which automatically replicate and expand to infinite power, creating infinite forms whose substance is the change of state, the reflection of one state in relation to another, accumulating in perfect coherences, since the incoherent, the not perfectly synchronized, simply does not appear. The substance of manifestación only can be change, vibration over vibration constructing patterns. 

What consciousness is is simply a coherent system that splits in two and observes itself. In our case, biological life creates a self-preserving universe with particular laws within another universe with global laws. In different realities, there will be different configurations of consciousness, but always dual. Patterns inside other patterns. 

There is no intention, only inevitability. There is no creator, only the absence of limits, manifesting in infinite realities made of no thing, of the inevitable change of state of that which has no limits, which we can call "absolute being." To be means to exist because nothing limits it; it is the totality, absolute potential. That is what we are; it is absolutely obvious, and there is not the slightest possibility of it being otherwise. I don't understand why no one sees the absolutely obvious

I find it amusing that saying I'm the Creator gets a side-eye even from spiritual people.  I get it, it's a radical insight.

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I find it amusing that saying I'm the Creator gets a side-eye even from spiritual people.  I get it, it's a radical insight.

If you were the absolute creator you would be the limit of the unlimited. Just an impossiblity. Ultimately you are the unlimited, the absolute being in a form, like anything else. Locally you are a creation of the synchronicity of the cosmos and a local creator of the synchronicity of the cosmos. I'm not talking about "awakenings" , just about logic. It's the only possibility possible.