TRIGGER WARNING, Uncomfortable experience about Dating

[Natasha Tori Maru]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

This is just not how most women behave. Women are loyal to a fault. You have to do something seriously off for a woman to replace you once she has fallen for you.

This is my lived experience also. Based off 25 years of my own relationships, and seeing the relationships of my friends, family and associates. In concrete reality, not any artificial online sphere. Society.

The 'hypergamy' of women being peddled is all from social media statistics and dating apps where there is a 75/25% split of men/women, respectively. Social media and red pill proponents take this statistic, that is created from the inequal split of users sex, and extrapolate the data onto reality. Behaviour under artificial scarcity is simply not real-world mating behaviour. It subtly disempowers men with disillusionment/resentment. 

It is just classic category error dressed up as data being sold as 'female hypergamy' as a result of this platform-distorted behaviour.

Obviously there are going to be some turd women in the bucket who WILL do this. 

But they are the minority.

[Jannes]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

This is my lived experience also. Based off 25 years of my own relationships, and seeing the relationships of my friends, family and associates. In concrete reality, not any artificial online sphere. Society.

The 'hypergamy' of women being peddled is all from social media statistics and dating apps where there is a 75/25% split of men/women, respectively. Social media and red pill proponents take this statistic, that is created from the inequal split of users sex, and extrapolate the data onto reality. Behaviour under artificial scarcity is simply not real-world mating behaviour. It subtly disempowers men with disillusionment/resentment. 

It is just classic category error dressed up as data being sold as 'female hypergamy' as a result of this platform-distorted behaviour.

Obviously there are going to be some turd women in the bucket who WILL do this. 

But they are the minority.

NO, I dont subscripe to any toxic manosphere. Its my own experience only. 

But I like to hear that from other peoples perspective this sounds unusual, which makes me think that my perspective is partially limited.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

5 minutes ago, Jannes said:

NO, I dont subscripe to any toxic manosphere. Its my own experience only. 

To be clear - I was not accusing you of subscribing to this ideology. Merely expounding on how it can perpetuate and be amplified due to other sources, and act as a confirmation bias when we have experiences with bad people.

Didn't mean to imply it was an idea you picked up, as it seemed clear you were speaking from experience 🙏

The converse is also true - women can pick up hypergamy from these online apps and social media echo chambers. It can make them feel justified and feed ego in negative, narcissistic ways. This does not mean it is their natural state/behaviour. Group think.

Edited 4 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Jannes]

10 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

To be clear - I was not accusing you of subscribing to this ideology. Merely expounding on how it can perpetuate and be amplified due to other sources, and act as a confirmation bias when we have experiences with bad people.

Didn't mean to imply it was an idea you picked up, as it seemed clear you were speaking from experience 🙏

The converse is also true - women can pick up hypergamy from these online apps and social media echo chambers. It can make them feel justified and feed ego in negative, narcissistic ways. This does not mean it is their natural state/behaviour. Group think.

Oh okay -- all good.

[Joshe]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Women are loyal to a fault. You have to do something seriously off for a woman to replace you once she has fallen for you.

Your view on women is biased. It's simply false to say that "women" are loyal to a fault. You're making the same mistake you're claiming OP of making but in the opposite direction.

Loyalty is contingent on how fulfilled they are. You don't have to do anything seriously wrong for them to be disloyal. It depends on their personality, which obviously varies from woman to woman. There's the full spectrum of attachment styles, novelty-seeking tendencies, impulse control, etc, etc. 

Ride or die types are not very common. Maybe 10-15% if I'm being generous. And it's not because they're "loyal" and choosing you over everyone else. These types are loyal to a fault because of how they're wired - dependency, seeking security, etc. Being devoted in relationships is just who they are, but most women aren't wired this way.

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I have never had a problem with girlfriends being disloyal.

That you know of lol. 

You gotta keep them long enough for the novelty to wear off - when the boredom and resentment phase hits. Make it to this phase and your odds of being cheated on skyrocket.

Women will remain loyal so long as they're fulfilled, which is a part time job, at minimum.

Edited 1 hour ago by Joshe

[Joshe]

This is the average woman: genuinely attached while things are good, but with an always running background process that evaluates the relationship against alternatives and unmet needs. Not consciously scheming or looking for a trade in, but also not forever devoted, even if the man doesn't do anything to fuck it up.

If wants/needs go unmet for too long and other options appear, she gone!

Edited 1 hour ago by Joshe