How Neurodiversity can lead to narcissistic Coping

[Cred]

Being neurodivergent (ND) causes the person to develop insecurities because they don't fall into the socially accepted way, a valuable person is defined. The worst way (in terms of survival) to cope with low self-esteem is with self loathing, which leads to suicidality. A step-up, but still suboptimal, is self-pity which leads to depression. 

One way to function with low self-esteem is with denial. If you ignore the evidence of your low self-worth and instead put yourself on a pedestal and put everyone else down, you will deceive yourself out of your depression. One completely random and unrelated-to–anything–at-all-way this could be done is by declaring stuff like: "I am god, I have seen truth everyone else is sheep". 

This is the narcissistic way of dealing with low self-esteem. I don't necessarily factually disagree when people here say stuff like "I am the only one who cares about truth everyone is below me". I'm rather asking why it is important to you to see yourself as above everyone else.

I want to emphasize this point: All the self acceptance mediation shadow work call it what you want is not reaching the root of the problem, which is that people see you as less valuable. Phrases like: "They are not productive, they are on forums all day" is language, discriminative of ND people and comes from a framework of wage labor (communism has once again entered the chat). 

If you want to function without a narcissistic way of coping, you will need to learn precisely in what way society is wrong. And this only works by learning about ND (also anti-capitalist theory. Communism Post is coming soon)

Edited 5 hours ago by Cred
Improved language and bold font

[Joshe]

3 hours ago, Cred said:

One way to function with low self-esteem is with denial. If you ignore the evidence of your low self-worth and instead put yourself on a pedestal and put everyone else down, you will deceive yourself out of your depression.

I feel like this post would be more powerful if you could delve into the mechanics of this. You could probably articulate it better than me but I’ll stream of consciousness some things:

When I was younger I was rejected because I was different, and I’ve always known I was different, and I’ve put a lot of thought into that difference, and experienced a ton of negative emotions about it, but have converted them to positive to make life easier. 

Society rejects me, I reject them. And what is my rationale for rejecting them? They are blind and cannot see clearly - they can’t see all the things I can, they’re ignorant. This is true, but it’s still a defense mechanism - it masks our pain and turns us is into justified assholes towards our fellow humans. Its a heavy, unconscious burden. 

Deconstruct “I’m the one who can see” or whatever your rationale is for rejecting “normies”. It’s not simply “they don’t value truth and truth is my highest value, therefore I’m incompatible with normies”. This is post-hoc rationalization for something much deeper. 

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[LordFall]

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I want to emphasize this point: All the self acceptance mediation shadow work call it what you want is not reaching the root of the problem, which is that people see you as less valuable. Phrases like: "They are not productive, they are on forums all day" is language, discriminative of ND people and comes from a framework of wage labor (communism has once again entered the chat). 

If you want to function without a narcissistic way of coping, you will need to learn precisely in what way society is wrong. And this only works by learning about ND (also anti-capitalist theory. Communism Post is coming soon)

 

Well put. Understanding economics is valuable in understanding socialzation. You must offer other people value in order for them to value you. This has been true in our cavemen days and is true now.

You don't need to be valuable to EVERYONE, just the people who you care about having in your life. 

The capitalist system is cold in displaying this truth but it is a truth nonetheless. You can offer plenty of value whether you're neurodivergent or not. Most people are lazy and entitled though whether they're neurotypical is irrelevant in the matter. 

[Hojo]

5 hours ago, Cred said:

Being neurodivergent (ND) causes the person to develop insecurities because they don't fall into the socially accepted way, a valuable person is defined. The worst way (in terms of survival) to cope with low self-esteem is with self loathing, which leads to suicidality. A step-up, but still suboptimal, is self-pity which leads to depression. 

One way to function with low self-esteem is with denial. If you ignore the evidence of your low self-worth and instead put yourself on a pedestal and put everyone else down, you will deceive yourself out of your depression. One completely random and unrelated-to–anything–at-all-way this could be done is by declaring stuff like: "I am god, I have seen truth everyone else is sheep". 

This is the narcissistic way of dealing with low self-esteem. I don't necessarily factually disagree when people here say stuff like "I am the only one who cares about truth everyone is below me". I'm rather asking why it is important to you to see yourself as above everyone else.

I want to emphasize this point: All the self acceptance mediation shadow work call it what you want is not reaching the root of the problem, which is that people see you as less valuable. Phrases like: "They are not productive, they are on forums all day" is language, discriminative of ND people and comes from a framework of wage labor (communism has once again entered the chat). 

If you want to function without a narcissistic way of coping, you will need to learn precisely in what way society is wrong. And this only works by learning about ND (also anti-capitalist theory. Communism Post is coming soon)

This whole post is a massive contradiction. They have low self esteem but view themselves as God, the highest form.

A neurodivergent is beaten and bullied into the ground by normies until they give up on life and when you do that you are rewarded by God, by God revealing itself to you. You think seeing God is a cope but you have no idea what you are talking about. Its real its a real physical and metaphysical event in the life of someone who has fully given up. Its not narcissist its the truth of reality.

You are God too but you wont ever see it by judging people. A neurodivergent dosent judge people they get judged non stop by normies and then give up after 32 years and God shows them that they are God so they dont kill themselves.

You dont know what a narcissist is and you dont know what God is but you are making claims about what they are.

If you notice people who awaken, normally awaken around the same age, around their 30s. This isnt an accident its a design.

Seeing God isnt a cope, its a reward by God for never judging anyone and being judged all your life.

If you dont judge and 'carry your cross' (taking the weight of others judgements without fighting back, thinking you are the problem) you awaken.

Edited 27 minutes ago by Hojo

[Cred]

CONTEXT: The "you" in the original Post is a mixture of @Hojo, Leo and of course, the reader. It is a reply that I figured, would be suitable to be its own thread. Hojo replied:

"@Cred Its not narcissist its finally sticking up for yourself. The neurotypical bully the neurodivergent their entire lives. Isnt it narcissist to tell a neurodivergent they are messed up in some way? Science is bullying an untypical brain structure. Science is the narcissist. There isnt a problem with a neurodivergent, its who they are the way God intended.

'All the self acceptance mediation shadow work call it what you want is not reaching the root of the problem, which is that people see you as less valuable.' This quote is narcissist. There isnt a problem. The problem is you seeing others that are different as a negative. Maybe you have the problem.

God structures your brain. A neurotypical could never understand this."

and then

"@Cred Why do neurodivergent people need coping mechanism? Because they are being bullied, relentlessly for being themselves."

Hojo, I hope you are okay with this approach. I want everything relevant to be in one place.

Edited 20 minutes ago by Cred

[Hojo]

@Cred Thats fine, God is doing everything in reality. God is creating your life from the first person perspective, objective reality is a ?. The ? is God.

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[Hojo]

@CredThis is what is happening in science based reality that people dont understand. God (objective reality) isnt being directly perceived. Light is being shown into the eyes and projected onto a screen in the brain. You are witnessing the screen in the brain not objective reality. What you see in reality is a projected hologram of actual reality. When you look at the sky your 'IRL' eyes are actually behind the sky. When you see a person your 'IRL' eyes are actually behind the person. When you read this your eyes are behind the monitor and behind the wall that you are reading this on.

The ? can never be known to you. And whatever is being projected into the brain, (the qualities, the neurodivergent, the personalities) are being completely made up and judged the way you want. You are completely alone in your own mind.
 

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[Cred]

@Joshe @LordFall <3
 

@Hojo I agree with most of what you said. It seems like you have misunderstood me. We are 95% on the same page. My point is very nuanced. I'm pondering for an answer.  

[Hojo]

@Cred You are saying neurodivergent see people as less valuable and are Coping that they are God. I am completely disagreeing with that. What am I misunderstanding?