Karma Exists Absolutely

[Ponder]

Karma obviously exists. You reap (EXACTLY!) what you sow. So if you cause suffering in another person, you will receive the exact amount of suffering in return at some point during your journey of incarnations (assuming reincarnation is true — if we’re being honest no one knows with 100% certainty what happens after death.. if we can enter a state of deep sleep, there’s nothing logically contradictory about that ‘state’ lasting ‘forever’). 
 

the suffering that is returned to you will be in another form (i.e if you cause physical suffering to someone from punching them in the head you may receive equivalent suffering of mental anguish of regret etc.) 

newtons law: every action has an equal and opposite reaction applies not only in the physical domain, but also in the moral domain.) since these domains aren’t actually seperate — non-duality and all that.

So all this talk about how morality is illusory by Leo and some of his parrots on the forum, are completely missing the point that our actions can have severe repercussions for ourselves as well as others. 
 

the thing about producing good karma, is it literally is win-win since both parties benefit. The thing about producing negative karma is it’s lose-lose since both parties are worse off from whatever action set the chain in motion in the first place. 

[cetus]

11 minutes ago, Ponder said:

the thing about producing good karma, is it literally is win-win since both parties benefit.

Let's give that more thought.

[Sugarcoat]

If time is eternal, then there is endless opportunity for anything to happen. If reality has the possibility of creating anything, and also the sense of consciousness and self has the ability to arise in form, then it seems all of us will go through absolutely everything no matter what we do in this life, sooner or later.
 

Maybe there is some limits, like think of the most random thing: a triangle made of marshmallow that lives in a world without gravity and eats pumpkin seeds to survive. Maybe that’s not a possible form, except it being able to arise as image in our mind, because it doesn’t make sense logically how it would function, maybe form needs logic, so even the most paranormal activity we can encounter has a certain “logic” that somehow fits into this reality we live in. And with regards to self awareness, many forms might arise which never develop self awareness in no universe or timeline. Maybe a table is always unaware so it doesn’t suffer when it’s broken.

But even considering possible limits, there’s still infinite opportunity for you to be tortured so many times in all of eternity. So it is more than enough 😂

I do think there may be some truth to this karma thing you talk about, so there might be connection between this reincarnation, the previous and the next. 
 

But that connection I don’t think is gonna last forever. Some time in eternity, you’ll still go through all the shit no matter what.

Doesn’t mean morality doesn’t matter, if you have human psychology, you’re gonna suffer somehow inside yourself if you cause too much harm, so that’s the most direct “karma”. 

[cetus]

6 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Maybe a table is always unaware so it doesn’t suffer when it’s broken.

If karma is real, then it's not just a matter whether a table suffers when broken but how it was broken. Was the table broken in anger? 

Just as a side note, when I think of karma I think in terms of vibration/ frequency. Harmonic balance.

[Hojo]

@PonderThats not what karma means. It means memory, this means a rapist can rape someone and receive 0 karma while the person who is attacked will receive karma via memory of the experience. The person who was raped will have memory of the event and it will change how they act in everyday life, this is what karma is.

Karma meaning eye for an eye is not the correct usage of the word.

Edited 11 hours ago by Hojo

[cetus]

30 minutes ago, Hojo said:

this means a rapist can rape someone and receive 0 karma while the person who is attacked will receive karma via memory of the experience.

That's an excellent example of the mind of a sociopathic rapist. 

Edited 10 hours ago by cetus

[gettoefl]

In the world’s frame of reference, there is no true good. I act to benefit myself, another is going to lose, and all action will be rooted in self-interest, no matter the surface justifications.

From the absolute perspective, however, whatever I do is not done merely for myself but to myself. To give is to receive and to take is to suffer. There is no win–lose, only win–win or lose–lose which is the exact inversion of the world’s logic.

[Hojo]

@cetusProjection, i use harsher words to make a point your ego projects what it would do or be if if it were true.

This is what karma means.

Edited 9 hours ago by Hojo

[Sugarcoat]

1 hour ago, cetus said:

If karma is real, then it's not just a matter whether a table suffers when broken but how it was broken. Was the table broken in anger? 

 

How does the the table being broken in anger relate to karma? I thought objects were outside this karma dynamic. 

1 hour ago, cetus said:

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Just as a side note, when I think of karma I think in terms of vibration/ frequency. Harmonic balance.

So you mean for example a hateful mindset has low vibration and thus bad karma? I am a bit unsure about the term karma because I’ve heard it used in different ways. I’m not expecting you to explain it tho 

[cetus]

2 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

How does the the table being broken in anger relate to karma? I thought objects were outside this karma dynamic. 

So you mean for example a hateful mindset has low vibration and thus bad karma? I am a bit unsure about the term karma because I’ve heard it used in different ways. I’m not expecting you to explain it tho 

It has nothing to do with the table itself but more with the person who takes their anger out on an inanimate object such as a table. If you consider the universe vibrating at a certain frequency and anger for instance at a different frequency, then the universe answers back to that source and self corrects. Karma is not payback; it's an auto correction reflected back to the source of the disturbance.

[Meeksauce]

1 hour ago, cetus said:

It has nothing to do with the table itself but more with the person who takes their anger out on an inanimate object such as a table. If you consider the universe vibrating at a certain frequency and anger for instance at a different frequency, then the universe answers back to that source and self corrects. Karma is not payback; it's an auto correction reflected back to the source of the disturbance.

Buddha taught that karma is how the architecture or imprint of mind transfers from one life and creates the next. In other words, the state or quality of your mind when you die directly transfers over and generates the next experience. It's not that action=consequence, rather action=long term imprinting on your own mind that generates the next "house" or reality you will live in. It's like dreaming at night - whatever your mental state was before crossing over greatly influences your dream and its rules. He said beings could be sent to hell realms for this reason, not by way of hanus acts being wrong in and of themselves. The lowest of which, Avīci, he said to last unimaginable yet not infinite time spans. Beings sent there, were not sent, but rather their own minds dreamt that hell realm after a previous life of committing atrocities which conditioned it into that state. Karma is said by Buddha to take an extremely long time to exhaust, which is why the punishment feels unproportionate to the crime. In the Pāli Canon, he says "This existence is a disease, a boil, a dart". He also claims it is not safe to be here due to the hell realms that can last for 10^40^40 years (that's the modern number, but in his words it was something like "the amount of time it takes to wipe out a mountain if you wipe it with a rag every 100 years".)  For this reason liberation/ending of the rebirth cycle should be sought.

1 hour ago, cetus said:

It has nothing to do with the table itself but more with the person who takes their anger out on an inanimate object such as a table. If you consider the universe vibrating at a certain frequency and anger for instance at a different frequency, then the universe answers back to that source and self corrects. Karma is not payback; it's an auto correction reflected back to the source of the disturbance.

1 hour ago, cetus said:

It has nothing to do with the table itself but more with the person who takes their anger out on an inanimate object such as a table. If you consider the universe vibrating at a certain frequency and anger for instance at a different frequency, then the universe answers back to that source and self corrects. Karma is not payback; it's an auto correction reflected back to the source of the disturba

1 hour ago, cetus said:

It has nothing to do with the table itself but more with the person who takes their anger out on an inanimate object such as a table. If you consider the universe vibrating at a certain frequency and anger for instance at a different frequency, then the universe answers back to that source and self corrects. Karma is not payback; it's an auto correction reflected back to the source of the disturbance.

1 hour ago, cetus said:

It has nothing to do with the table itself but more with the person who takes their anger out on an inanimate object such as a table. If you consider the universe vibrating at a certain frequency and anger for instance at a different frequency, then the universe answers back to that source and self corrects. Karma is not payback; it's an auto correction reflected back to the source of the disturbance.

4 hours ago, cetus said:

That's an excellent example of the mind of a sociopathic 

Edited 5 hours ago by Meeksauce

[UnbornTao]

You jump into a pool, you get wet. Stuff has consequences. Now, as stupidly simple as this claim may sound, there's a profound principle underlying it. Understanding it intellectually is just the first step. If you pay attention, you'll probably notice actions and thoughts whose consequences you're currently unaware of. You might not even be conscious of what it is you're doing in the first place, let alone its consequences. Becoming aware of your habits and actions helps you recognize this.