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[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

Actually, if you think you're at his level, what are you even doing? It's safe to say that nobody currently alive is.

I don't claim to be at his level. But plenty of things he says are false. It took me a lot of work to figure that out.

He is both very advanced but also too insulated from other perspectives on spirituality, as if only his view is the only one.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[AtmanIsBrahman]

I thought you considered yourself more conscious than Ralston?

Or do you have different strengths?

 

Edited 2 hours ago by AtmanIsBrahman

[UnbornTao]

@Natasha Tori Maru Not true, just ask him.

[UnbornTao]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't claim to be at his level. But plenty of things he says are false. It took me a lot of work to figure that out.

He is both very advanced but also too insulated from other perspectives on spirituality, as if only his view is the only one.

As if he were talking from a perspective. 

Your claim rests on the assumption that you understand what he's getting across. Not likely.

Edited 2 hours ago by UnbornTao

[TheBG]

7 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

As if he were talking from a perspective. 

Your claim rests on the assumption that you understand what he's getting across. Not likely.

Why would it be unlikely? Do you have an example? I don't know much about him, so I am curious.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

14 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

@Natasha Tori Maru Not true, just ask him.

He does mention states a lot. What is he referencing states in relation to?

[Leo Gura]

20 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

As if he were talking from a perspective. 

He is not above perspective.

Be careful idolizing him. It will limit you if you take him too seriously.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

33 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't claim to be at his level. But plenty of things he says are false. It took me a lot of work to figure that out.

I actually agree with this. 

Through my own experience.

@UnbornTao I think you often put to much stock in Ralston. I might say this because I rarely see you deviating into any critical analysis of his work, just mutual agreement or pointing. Which is all well and good. But sometimes it looks like proselytizing.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

As an example, I don't think Ralston has grasped Love.

[UnbornTao]

Just now, TheBG said:

Why would it be unlikely? Do you have an example? I don't know much about him, so I am curious.

I don't think I'd be able to lay that out meaningfully. Too involved a question. Why not ask him?

For example, if I recall correctly, virtually no one makes the distinction of "consciousness" that he does. I'd imagine the way everyone holds that is as cognition or some such. Which might explain the psychedelic thingy. 

[Carl-Richard]

5 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

As an example, I don't think Ralston has grasped Love.

I'm sorry to interrupt this serious exchange with WHAT the fuck is this?:

 

I was searching up a Jan Esmann video on love and I got this abomination 😭

[UnbornTao]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

He is not above perspective.

Be careful idolizing him. It will limit you if you take him too seriously.

But the truth is, and it is not a perspective, otherwise what's the fucking point? 

I don't mind, I can put distance between teachers. But you think he's just sharing opinions or something. 

[UnbornTao]

13 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

He does mention states a lot. What is he referencing states in relation to?

Why not ask him directly? 

[UnbornTao]

26 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I actually agree with this. 

Through my own experience.

@UnbornTao I think you often put to much stock in Ralston. I might say this because I rarely see you deviating into any critical analysis of his work, just mutual agreement or pointing. Which is all well and good. But sometimes it looks like proselytizing.

There's a lot to be grasped. Paying attention is needed. The problem is thinking you already get it.

I know this sounds harsh, I just drank coffee on an empty stomach. I need to metabolize the fucking cortisol.

Edited 1 hour ago by UnbornTao

[UnbornTao]

23 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

As an example, I don't think Ralston has grasped Love.

This is what I mean by not paying attention.

Where are you coming from such that that is a consideration in the first place? 

Edited 1 hour ago by UnbornTao

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

This is what I mean by not paying attention.

Where are you coming from such that that is a consideration in the first place? 

What IS talked about. Not what is left out. 

By paying attention, what exactly do you mean? 

Where am I coming from? From experience? 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

It is just what I see.

[Carl-Richard]

29 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I was searching up a Jan Esmann video on love and I got this abomination 😭

Jan is a teacher who can talk about love (bhakti), integrate it with I-ness and emptiness (jhana), and surrendering (neo-advaita), in the same 3 minutes, without getting stuck in either, combining it into a cohesive framework. Stage Yellow enlightened person 😎

 

Sorry, I like Jan very much :,)

Edited 1 hour ago by Carl-Richard

[CARDOZZO]

@Natasha Tori Maru

I think there are kinds of love. 

Ralston is the type of guy who loves to throw you into the fire of Truth just to demolish your lies.

Tough Love.  

Is this Ralstonian love? I don't know  

 

Edited 1 hour ago by CARDOZZO

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@CARDOZZO My GOD I have this movie playing right now. The fuck!  It is a rewatch.

100% on different kinds of love - and this is sort of what I am pointing to. There is a lot to 'love' or 'Love' if you will  

Edited 1 hour ago by Natasha Tori Maru