What spiritual teachers actually teach Solipsism

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

No.

It's just a word for what is.  The sensations you feel now. The visual fields the audio. That is the only thing in existence.  You are existence.

Thinking that you are the only thing and nothing else exist is just a conceptual idea. Thinking that you are god creating this reality because you want to feel love and you are hiding this fact to yourself to live an exciting adventure, is another idea, and it's bit....let's say....well, I don't find the right word 

[Breakingthewall]

12 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

because almost no one is enlightened.

How could they being enlightened if they don't exist? You are creating then to live and adventure, and you created Leo and others gurus to awake, that's the principle of solipsism if I'm not wrong. That's what Leo said in the deleted video. 

Or for you the others are real? Then you are not talking about solipsism 

[Inliytened1]

13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Thinking that you are the only thing and nothing else exist is just a conceptual idea. Thinking that you are god creating this reality because you want to feel love and you are hiding this fact to yourself to live an exciting adventure, is another idea, and it's bit....let's say....well, I don't find the right word 

Concept is hard to escape but what i mean is what is actual. What is before you now. That is what exists.

Pull your hand out and look at it.  That is what is actual. Actuality is existence and actuality is all that exists. So one can try to get as actual as they can.  That is what meditation should be. Sitting with actuality until there is a merge with actuality.  Because in essence what enlightenment is is it is a merger between you and actuality. 

Edited yesterday at 02:12 PM by Inliytened1

[UnbornTao]

11 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

You will never know who is a Ramana and who isn't.  But I do. You're not.  And nor is Leo.  As brilliant as he is. He couldn't achieve it naturally.

I don't know about that. Hopefully it's real for you. In any case, it's very easy to deceive oneself in all kinds of ways. We seem to do that all the time.

Often, thinking oneself enlightened or awakened most likely comes from a conceptual world - we just have a hard time discerning what is thought to be true from what is actually true. Something other than oneself - the truth - would have to be the arbiter of that assessment. This trips us off in part because we confuse a claim about what's believed to be true with whatever is actually the case.

As for the "natural" part, not sure what to say. A psychedelic experience or a particular state may not be awakening, so that's that - if that's what you were implying by "artificial."

[UnbornTao]

You know, apart from Ramana, one of the greats was Adi Da, and you know what he said about the drugs in relation to becoming conscious.

Actualized.org Deception Awakening? 

And this was a sober one!  

Personally verified.  

[Inliytened1]

 Drugs or forced enlightenment..I just don't know about it.  Enlightenment is so fundamental that it comes prior to changes in state.  This is where i agree with Ralston over Leo. Otherwise I agree with Leo on everything else. And he is the premier teacher of metaphysics, ontology and epistemology. He is all that we have. But he is the best.

Edited yesterday at 02:28 PM by Inliytened1

[UnbornTao]

And the appeal of adopting such a worldview (because it is going to be a worldview) is that you get to place yourself as the sole arbiter of truth, of course. You devil. 😈 

[UnbornTao]

13 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

 Drugs or forced enlightenment..I just don't know about it.  Enlightenment is so fundamental that it comes prior to changes in state.  This is where i agree with Ralston over Leo. Otherwise I agree with Leo on everything else. And he is the premier teacher of metaphysics, ontology and epistemology. He is all that we have. But he is the best.

Like a good follower. Well said.

[Breakingthewall]

37 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Concept is hard to escape but what i mean is what is actual. What is before you now. That is what exists.

Pull your hand out and look at it.  That is what is actual. Actuality is existence and actuality is all that exists. So one can try to get as actual as they can.  That is what meditation should be. Sitting with actuality until there is a merge with actuality.  Because in essence what enlightenment is is it is a merger between you and actuality. 

Yes , reality exist , but how do you know that the others are not real and you are imagining them because some reasons?

[Inliytened1]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes , reality exist , but how do you know that the others are not real and you are imagining them because some reasons?

I don't "know" its just obvious. 

Look! This is actual.  This!

Everything else is imagination.

It is..if you really can see that.

The problem is our minds want to create layers for everything.  Just layers upon players. 

 

Edited yesterday at 02:58 PM by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I don't "know" its just obvious. 

Look! This is actual.  This!

Everything else is imagination.

It is..if you really can see that.

 

Ok, then how do you know that you are god creating this dream and creating Leo like a game to awake because you want the most love, that's why you build a dream and you hide that fact? 

[Inliytened1]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Ok, then how do you know that you are god creating this dream and creating Leo like a game to awake because you want the most love, that's why you build a dream and you hide that fact? 

I dont know if that's why.  Perhaps. And perhaps you telling me that is telling me that as God.  I'm learning every day.  

To your initial question- if you woke up right now and said "wow" this whole thing this entire time was but a figment of my imagination.  Wow. Thats incredible.  You would marvel in it would you not? But also you would have to admit that all the beings in the dream were part of your own mind. Thats how it is with God and awakening. 

Edited yesterday at 03:06 PM by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

8 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

if you woke up right now and said "wow" this whole thing this entire time was but a figment of my imagination. 

If something like that were to happen, I'd be smart enough to recognize that I was experiencing an episode of ego inflation, similar to being in a nightclub, taking cocaine, and waking up to the realization that all the women desperately want to have sex with me. Yes, the subjective feeling exists, but that doesn't mean it's reality, since that's absolutely impossible.

You're not dreaming anything, because reality isn't a central entity that emits a dream for reasons like love or whatever; that's impossible. Enlightenment is precisely the opposite :total openness, without a center, without a creating agent. Much more difficult and challenging that taking some drugs and having some hallucinations and believing them as truth 

Edited yesterday at 03:15 PM by Breakingthewall

[Joseph Maynor]

18 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Enlightenment is precisely the opposite :total openness, without a center, without a creating agent. Much more difficult and challenging that taking some drugs and having some hallucinations and believing them as truth 

Is it difficult to get enlightened or to stay enlightened?

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Is it difficult to get enlightened or to stay enlightened?

Enlightenment isn't about knowing something mysterious and mystical; it's about breaking free from contraction, that is, being without the energetic limitations of the self. It's difficult because those limitations exist; they are real. 

So, you, as an absolute being, are limitless, and being truly open to that living reality is enlightenment. But you, as a form, exist by virtue of being limited by other forms; relative limits are real. To think that they are a dream, and that you, who are God, are dreaming them for reasons x, is to place absolute limits everywhere. God would be another relative form, just bigger. Bigger self.

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

 

You're not dreaming anything, because reality isn't a central entity that emits a dream for reasons like love or whatever; that's impossible.

 

It doesn't emit anything.  It is Inifnity. You of all people should know that reality is Infinity. And if it is - which it is - then it has no end.  So it does not end with atoms. Or quarks. Or whatever you want to deposit underneath quarks.  It is fundamentally a dream.  You can zoom into your hand forever and you will not ever get to the bottom. 

This has radical implications because it means that there cannot be a physical universe. 

Edited 22 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Carl-Richard]

19 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Throw out Solpsism.  For a minute. Does your mother exist without you imagining or thinking of her? Where does she go when you are making eggs? Are you keeping track of every moment on her side? Would God have to do this? Would he have to do it with air particles? What are they doing?

Now you're making the mistake of solipsism turned out on the world instead of turned in towards yourself, as Michael James put it (the person doing the Ramana Maharshi Q&A). Once you use solipsism to describe relationships out in the world, relationships between people, between you as a dream character and other dream characters, you are no longer talking about Ramana's solipsism. Ramana's solipsism is the one dreamer taking on the dream character(s) as an illusion in its own imagination. The relationship between the dreamer and the dream characters is not spatial, not local, not present in time, only present through omniscience, pure knowing, pure being of everything that exists. Once you start talking about hidden things, of things being present in space or being not present in space, of where things are on the screen of perception or where they are not — once you start to question the dreamer's complete omniscience — you are in conceptual thinking, belief, fantastical delusion. What Ramana wanted to tell you is that your grandma is an illusion, and so are you.

Edited 12 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Sincerity]

I've heard Bashar teach solipsism on occasion. He doesn't use the word per se, but he says it in between the lines.

The insight referred to as solipsism is true. The One Experience, is all there is. But also, it's not the end of the "story". There's more.

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

I've heard Bashar teach solipsism on occasion. He doesn't use the word per se, but he says it in between the lines.

The insight referred to as solipsism is true. The One Experience, is all there is. But also, it's not the end of the "story". There's more.

Yup.  Exactly.  You don't have to even say the word.  Oneness covers it.  

Of course there's more.  All one has to do is imagine.   We are here meeting on this forum right? Thats more.  But to get to the bottom of reality- if you want to - you may not like what you find. Or you may.  But being alone is fundamental.

[Sincerity]

6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Of course there's more.  All one has to do is imagine.   We are here meeting on this forum right? Thats more.  But to get to the bottom of reality- if you want to - you may not like what you find. Or you may.  But being alone is fundamental.

My point is that while solipsism/oneness is absolutely true, there is also an insight/awakening that more or less contradicts solipsism, and it's absolutely true as well.

Both are true. It's a cosmic joke that you either get or not. It's a mindfuck, but Reality is Mysterious and Paradoxical, so it's actually nothing new under the sun.

At least that's my experience.

Edited 22 hours ago by Sincerity