Have Any of You Questioned Whether Spiral Dynamics Are Actually Truthful?

[JoshB]

One thing I definitely noticed is that the more openminded one is the higher they are up on the spiral. And becoming conscious of Truth and Open-mindedness go Hand in Hand.  

[sholomar]

1 hour ago, JoshB said:

One thing I definitely noticed is that the more openminded one is the higher they are up on the spiral. And becoming conscious of Truth and Open-mindedness go Hand in Hand.  

There's lots of closed mindedness among the greens.. mostly because they actually believe the stuff peddled by the mainstream media and turned green into another cult just like the lower stages. Maybe it's "better" in theory but the differences between Christianity and the Woke are not huge in the end, they both propose forms of government that wouldn't work given human nature. You will never save everyone in an environment of evolution and natural selection where nature is brutal and we are wired with primitive drives that cause us to live secret lives hidden away from the polished exteriors we present to society.

Spiral dynamics seems fairly accurate to me. However, enlightenment was never supposed to be about having inflated spiritual egos and fighting political wars against lower stages. Would love to live in an authoritarian-lite country like Singapore where there is tight control, but the cost of living is still way too high, and they do execute drug dealers and imprison drug users. People would then bitch about freedom of expression... pick one... freedom or control. Our nature makes having both at the same time difficult, because people aren't going to just do the right thing because you or anyone thinks they should.  Do you want more control over what people are willing to do or not? Democracy means diversity and disorder, creativity and chaos. Accept chaos is part of the system and find the peace of mind you seek. Turn off media sources and stop falling into political echo chambers. 

Seems to me like greens are being greens. Not yellows.  They are tier 1 consciousness, and that's fine. 

Edited Sunday at 01:54 PM by sholomar

[enchanted]

Ken Wilber's model is a lot like Spiral Dynamics. 

[Michal__]

Or Mohammed - he was technically sd red, yet his baseline consciousness was much higher than the people on this forum.

His daily experience could have easily been what people experience when tripping.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

On 1/3/2026 at 3:10 AM, Leo Gura said:

SD is amazingly accurate for Tier 1 stages. With Tier 2 its accuracy nosedives. I basically only use it for Tier 1. Beyond that I drop it.

That would explain why Don Beck took down your Turquoise video. The video you did on yellow was also problematic, but the two videos for Red and Purple were spot on correct. 

[waheed]

On 12/31/2025 at 8:08 PM, Entrepreneur said:

Is the Spiral Dynamics model truly accurate?

Any model stretched to the proportions this forum has done with SD, makes the model a constraint and an obstacle to get over.