Why the US wants to steal Venezuela's oil& resources?

[Daniel Balan]

14 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

NATO Is a defensive alliance. Ukraine was westernising. They wanted to move beyond where Russia is.

Their population were of sufficient consciousness to protest against a stage blue oppression, and when they did, Putin had them executed on mass or beaten in the streets. This started a war. Mostly because the Russian government is horribly incompetent at managing any kind of dynamic population or social pressure.

The US has been AGAINST involement in Ukraine. Trump repeatedly wants to pull back, and given Russia what it wants. Biden was softly softly, whereas Eastern Europe, used to centuries of Russian invasion and meddling in their countries saw the pattern early and called for aid. Without it, there would already have been a wider war, with those countries involved in a fight that directly effects their own people.

There is no hypocrisy. Countries take what they can. The more that openly do it, the easier it is for others to justify it. This is how a world war comes about.

Be sick but don't start thinking Russia isn't just as bad as any power doing it. No war is justified. End of.

I still am pro-Ukraine and Anti-Putin, I just don't understand the double standard. I totally agree that if Ukraine wants to westernize, Russia has no business in bullying Ukraine. But if Venezuela wants to give its oil sector to China, or that Venezuela wants to align with Russia and China, why is the US threatening Venezuela with full scale war? 

[BlueOak]

5 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

I still am pro-Ukraine and Anti-Putin, I just don't understand the double standard. I totally agree that if Ukraine wants to westernize, Russia has no business in bullying Ukraine. But if Venezuela wants to give its oil sector to China, or that Venezuela wants to align with Russia and China, why is the US threatening Venezuela with full scale war? 

We are 100% of the same mind.

[Daniel Balan]

4 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

We are 100% of the same mind.

Yes but I then connected some further dots in my mind and I came to the conclusion that the fate of Venezuela would be the fate of Russia if it weren't for Putin because Russia has also huge natural reserves of oil and gas. 

[BlueOak]

2 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

Yes but I then connected some further dots in my mind and I came to the conclusion that the fate of Venezuela would be the fate of Russia if it weren't for Putin because Russia has also huge natural reserves of oil and gas. 

The logistics involved in invading a country like Russia across the globe are so far removed its not even vaguely comparable. 
Even the Germans who bordered them and were far technologically advanced of Russia couldn't do it, so many empires have tried. Its harsh terrain and unforgiving to invade. Russia is gigantic. 

Plus Russia has nukes, and they will use them if their land is invaded, or their country threatened.

[BlueOak]

BUT Russia might have westernised I agree. Or it might have evolved past a police state. And that, to Putin, is almost as bad. This way it remains a police state, stuck in a perpetual conflict with its neighbors, and the aging fossils running it can hang on a few more decades to power.

Edited 22 hours ago by BlueOak

[LordFall]

You guys know that Venezuela has some of the lowest rankings on human rights in the world right? Twice as worse as its close neighbour Colombia. The invading for democratic purposes that the US uses as reasoning for their invasive foreign policy over the last few decades is based in truth. It's also based in corruption but both can exist simultaneously.

I think these things will not change until we have a global accountability system and global representation for all global citizens. It's hard to make a case for invading Venezuela being evil when they're ruled by a violent military dictatorship. 

[Daniel Balan]

16 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

The logistics involved in invading a country like Russia across the globe are so far removed its not even vaguely comparable. 
Even the Germans who bordered them and were far technologically advanced of Russia couldn't do it, so many empires have tried. Its harsh terrain and unforgiving to invade. Russia is gigantic. 

Plus Russia has nukes, and they will use them if their land is invaded, or their country threatened.

You don't get my point, I don't talk about military invasion, the west would have loved to instate in the Kremlin a puppet that would allow western corporations like Exonmobil to steal all of Russia's resources. 

[Elliott]

20 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

Yes but I then connected some further dots in my mind and I came to the conclusion that the fate of Venezuela would be the fate of Russia if it weren't for Putin because Russia has also huge natural reserves of oil and gas. 

The u.s. doesn't have the weight to control Europe and Russia together, Russia should have strengthened ties with Europe, China with Europe, this would eliminate U.S. imperialism.

The u.s. can only do this in a divided world, otherwise China and Russia could be defending venezuela.

[Daniel Balan]

5 minutes ago, LordFall said:

You guys know that Venezuela has some of the lowest rankings on human rights in the world right? Twice as worse as its close neighbour Colombia. The invading for democratic purposes that the US uses as reasoning for their invasive foreign policy over the last few decades is based in truth. It's also based in corruption but both can exist simultaneously.

I think these things will not change until we have a global accountability system and global representation for all global citizens. It's hard to make a case for invading Venezuela being evil when they're ruled by a violent military dictatorship. 

It is of horrific coincidence that the US wants to protect democracy and human rights only in countries rich in natural resources.... Yet the US doesn't give a fuck about human rights in countries with 0 natural resources..... 

I am seriously going to vomit now🤢

[BlueOak]

8 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

You don't get my point, I don't talk about military invasion, the west would have loved to instate in the Kremlin a puppet that would allow western corporations like Exonmobil to steal all of Russia's resources. 

Oh totally. They were getting the resources a good price anyway.

But again very different scale to your other regime, and the US hasn't managed to do it in venezula either. Over throwing a regime takes a lot of luck, and a lot of people willing to be in the new regime, instability etc, I just don't see that in Russia. Plus Russia's internal security services are second to none, and their propaganda even better. But invading Ukraine wouldn't change that, and it would probably make it easier, do you know how many Ukranians would love to see that happen now? And they have a similar culture, can blend in etc.

Edited 22 hours ago by BlueOak

[BlueOak]

7 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

I am seriously going to vomit now🤢

Sorry for killing idealism a bit. It gets easier, if you can avoid hitting the nihilism many do. Life still matters, people (and animals) are about the only thing that does. (Hence why war is abhorrent and needs to end).

Edited 21 hours ago by BlueOak

[Daniel Balan]

18 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

But invading Ukraine wouldn't change that, and it would probably make it easier, do you know how many Ukranians would love to see that happen now? And they have a similar culture, can blend in etc.

To see happen what? I don't understand what you were trying to emphasize. Can you be more explicit?

Edited 21 hours ago by Daniel Balan

[BlueOak]

14 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

To see happen what? I don't understand what you were trying to emphasize. Can you be more explicit?

How would invading the country next to you, make your own government less likely to be overthrown by an external power? It would seem to just create more enemies and chaos, making it easier to be overthrown.

Edited 21 hours ago by BlueOak

[Elliott]

43 minutes ago, LordFall said:

You guys know that Venezuela has some of the lowest rankings on human rights in the world right? Twice as worse as its close neighbour Colombia. The invading for democratic purposes that the US uses as reasoning for their invasive foreign policy over the last few decades is based in truth. It's also based in corruption but both can exist simultaneously.

I think these things will not change until we have a global accountability system and global representation for all global citizens. It's hard to make a case for invading Venezuela being evil when they're ruled by a violent military dictatorship. 

That qualifies the U.S. bombing Venezuelan civilians? Fucking ridiculous.

[Daniel Balan]

22 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

How would invading the country next to you, make your own government less likely to be overthrown by an external power? It would seem to just create more enemies and chaos, making it easier to be overthrown.

Actually it makes a lot of sense for Russia, because if Ukraine liberalizes, the liberalization will inevitably spill into Russia. If Ukraine is another Belarus, No liberalization can leak to Russia because Ukraine would become a literal ideological buffer barrier. That's what this war is all about. Turning Ukraine into an ideological buffer.

[Daniel Balan]

1 hour ago, Daniel Balan said:

It is of horrific coincidence that the US wants to protect democracy and human rights only in countries rich in natural resources.... Yet the US doesn't give a fuck about human rights in countries with 0 natural resources..... 

I am seriously going to vomit now🤢

@Elliott

[Elliott]

Trump literally does and publicly supports the same thing Maduro is accused of for his human rights violations. That's stoooopid. He literally tried to overthrow the election, republicans are actively trying to corrupt elections.

Maduro was elected then Trump his first term sabatoged Venezuela sending it into chaos, trying to install a republican puppet in 2019 Obviously with Cia operations in your 3rd world country there's going to be some undesirable actions you take as the leader.

Trump is literally starving Venezuelans by sanctioning their oil.

Edited 20 hours ago by Elliott

[LordFall]

I'm not saying it justifies the actions of the americans, I'm saying focusing on their war crimes is mistaken the tree for the forest. Until we have a global system of governance through something like AI and blockchain controlling assets, our countries will always be at the whim of whatever politician gets into office. The human rights violations gives them plausible deniability on the world stage to wage these armed conflicts. 

[Elliott]

28 minutes ago, LordFall said:

I'm not saying it justifies the actions of the americans, I'm saying focusing on their war crimes is mistaken the tree for the forest. Until we have a global system of governance through something like AI and blockchain controlling assets, our countries will always be at the whim of whatever politician gets into office. The human rights violations gives them plausible deniability on the world stage to wage these armed conflicts. 

Trump needs to be impeached. It's the indifference of the people.

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