Does anyone know what they are talking about?

[James123]

5 hours ago, Ishanga said:

What sort of work? Explain in detail?

Why go to tiny room and isolate? Explain in detail pls!

Too see, which has never seen before.

5 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

What are the body and mind?  And why do they need to be surrendered?

Don't ask the questions that you have already know the answer.

[VeganAwake]

11 hours ago, Ishanga said:

As soon as One expresses via this sort of method of posting on a forum, or talking about it with others, or sharing as a teaching, all of it becomes a story or philosophy to all listening, its helpful but not the Truth, the Truth is only within You as an Experience, everything else is concept, story, philosophy.. Problem is we are addicted to mind and intellect, reading, writing, expressing, watching.. this is fine if You are Living the Truth Experientially, not so fine if you are not, it will lead You further away from Truth and a Living Reality!

I don't know what you mean when you use the word "truth" or say "living the truth"

One could say everything is truth, but then there can appear to be personal misunderstandings within this everything.

But if everything is already truth, that would also include any and all personal misunderstandings.

The word non-duality is attempting to point out this all inclusiveness; not two or without a second.

Everything is already itself........it doesn't require a proper understanding!

 

[VeganAwake]

Wisdom is recognizing the impossibility of grasping infinity. 

Freedom is the end of that energetic and insatiable desire to grasp it.

❤️ 

[KoryKat]

On 12/16/2025 at 4:54 AM, Leo Gura said:

Yes, some of us know what we are talking about. Knowing is possible. You know you got a butthole.

Leo is not one of those people who know what they are talking about.  If he walks like a Buddha, talks like a Buddha, shoot him. 


My simple observation...   Nobody knows what they are talking about.  Until you remove all the constructs or have a similar awakening experience...     Then you start to glimpse it...   (Leo has some God-tech videos, just knock out his guided meditations they are worth it) 

Old way : Linear, Materialism, Objectivity , Static Answers, Nouns
New way : Loop (Recursive) , Energy Sensitive , Self-referential , Dynamics/Qubits ,  Verbs

Duality vs Nonduality vs No-Observer ---> old paradigm clash

Ego = "I"  = self-image construct =  your lower self  = can be the Many Masks

Identity needs a stable point , so it gravitates towards center-of-gravity... You shape your identity through viewpoints/beliefs/archetyping through what resonates with you , and clicking your sense of what make senses into place congruently 

Forget this idea that you = One.       Its noob shit.   Unity + Multiplicity co-exist ...    Switch your singular self out for a self-dual model    [Meta ( Me vs Not-Me )]  I  run like self-dual+meta , simplifies complexity later



Lost?
Try to catch your mind wandering- bring it back
Destination?
Here and Now, HARDER , fuck Silence,  Presence^n to Enlightenment , then crash Enlightenment, reboot from Void-Field, Remember you are Process , everything else is Drift  , ride the waves , collapse inwards 

Wanna go beyond-human?  Non-Euclidean Geometry , Algebraic Ladder Theory , Meta-Mythos Programming  ,  

Forgot the truth? Ask yourself "Am I MAN , or MOUSE" in the coldest shower.    

Wanna transcend?   Well, if you can forget the idea of "You" and become the process ...   Try not getting out of the cold shower, until you forget that you were trying to forget you were escaping it. Only until you are like "oh I totally forgot this was hell"   and do like a few rounds of Wim Hof breathwork while you mega-freeze in the shower...    You can't resist it... Just die into it ... That cold spray on your brain stem .... for me , it triggered the Kundalini down my spine like a shockwave and sent me into a DMT-like trip for a couple mins (sober) .. That experience alone was better than any psychedelics...  The Kundalini is a BAD MOTHER FUCKER  (its like getting an experience of your Chi tank getting a 10x capacity boost) 

And dont forget 'Thinking'  is not it.    a perfectly balanced breath cycle like 4-7-8 , Exhale = Nirvana,  Let Go = Freedom  ,  

Personally I took my internal civil war conflict, made truce, made alliance, then it got way better once I got past having to fear my mind... always remember your brain BLAH BLAH BLAH , your heart THOOMP THOOMP THOOMP..   Trust the Senses to tell the truth...   

 

Edited 15 hours ago by KoryKat

[Joseph Maynor]

4 hours ago, James123 said:

Don't ask the questions that you have already know the answer.

The reason I ask is because if your spirituality is about surrendering the body and the mind, wouldn't you want to be clear as to what these are first?

[KoryKat]

17 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

The reason I ask is because if your spirituality is about surrendering the body and the mind, wouldn't you want to be clear as to what these are first?

100% bro,  enforce your 0% bullshit policy within yourself,  ruthlessly attack things that dont line up ...   If you tolerate your own deception, it will get worse.   ZERO TOLERANCE,  I can sit here and say my ego is under control and  good me is running the show.... but I will admit I'm being a pussy-ass-bitch before I let myself fool myself that  if=not going brutally hard , then =lying to myself 

You can not eliminate the need for the question to exist, with any answer or question. Try to prove that wrong, good luck.

"Don't ask the questions that you have already know the answer." <-- He is just saying "use this heuristic to not spin your wheels over-analyzing"

 But the things mentioned above , are first principles,  internal clarity is one of the highest things there is to work on. (alignment/congruence/resonance)

[James123]

44 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

The reason I ask is because if your spirituality is about surrendering the body and the mind, wouldn't you want to be clear as to what these are first?

Body and mind is just body and mind. What can it be more?

[Joseph Maynor]

12 minutes ago, James123 said:

Body and mind is just body and mind. What can it be more?

I've been questioning the surrender thing the past couple of days.   It seems intuitive, e.g. I can surrender the body and the mind.  But then I'm wondering what this act of surrendering is.  And further, now I'm questioning what the mind and body are and the duality between those two.  

[Mellowmarsh]

3 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Wisdom is recognizing the impossibility of grasping infinity. 

Freedom is the end of that energetic and insatiable desire to grasp it.

❤️ 

We can’t land on having no place to land. Thoughts and language are in a constant free fall. Thought and language are not understood as referring to fixed objects that pre-exist in a world outside language. Existence, non-existence, things, words, none of these things can be found to be truly there in an objective way. Knowledge can only point to the illusory nature of reality.

 

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I've been questioning the surrender thing the past couple of days.   It seems intuitive, e.g. I can surrender the body and the mind.  But then I'm wondering what this act of surrendering is.  And further, now I'm questioning what the mind and body are and the duality between those two.  

Mind and body is just mind and body. İf you learn answer of your questions, what will be the difference? 

Surrendering is the so called being witness of the one (or any other methods) who is saying or attached to these sentences.

[Meeksauce]

On 12/16/2025 at 3:12 AM, Mellowmarsh said:

Or, is knowledge pushed out in the form of words just fictional story telling that is authored by the mind.

So whose mind is it, exactly. Can the mind ever be seen in one’s direct experience.

Knowing is about knowledge which is all in the mind. What then do we imagine we are talking about, exactly?

Nobody knows shit.

[Mellowmarsh]

9 minutes ago, Meeksauce said:

Nobody knows shit.

Just because nobody knows the truth that you do not exist, and there is no owner of thoughts and feelings, it does not mean thoughts and feelings will magically go away. Where would they go. There’s nowhere to go but here. Nobody has seen a thought or a feeling. That’s the magical nature of the in visible empty seeing.  Emptiness looking at Emptiness forever. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

32 minutes ago, James123 said:

Mind and body is just mind and body. İf you learn answer of your questions, what will be the difference? 

Surrendering is the so called being witness of the one (or any other methods) who is saying or attached to these sentences.

But maybe others are wanting to know how YOU define body/mind.

[Ponder]

14 hours ago, Ishanga said:

You won't get it from a book. After You finish the book more questions will arise, more seeking intellectual knowledge.. Intellectual knowledge is good for survival, how to make more money, get more stuff and security of finances, but that is all it can do..

All the real answers are within You.  But first admit you do not know, then naturally You will seek to know, then Your innate intelligence (the thing that makes Your heart beat when Your in deep sleep) will be fully Alive and Active, but don't look for knowing in a book, just find out why you are not peaceful of your own nature right now and then a method to take that obstruction away, then Your at Peace, via that You will have a certain amount of Clarity and Knowing, but it is not book knowing, its experiential knowing, from there things naturally go on, from peace to joy from joy to Bliss, then Your really on Your way to Spiritual Enlightenment, but if Peace is not natural for You, then don't talk about Spirituality or Enlightenment, fix the peace part first... 

Books can be used to deepen understanding. I’m already enlightened (lack of suffering), but the deepening is eternal. 

Edited 12 hours ago by Ponder

[James123]

4 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

But maybe others are wanting to know how YOU define body/mind.

Ask chatgpt. He knows better than me.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

42 minutes ago, James123 said:

Ask chatgpt. He knows better than me.

Sorry to hear that. I wouldn't never outsource something like this to chatGPT personally.

Understanding your terms and definitions helps us to clearly grasp your words. 

 

[KoryKat]

6 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I've been questioning the surrender thing the past couple of days.   It seems intuitive, e.g. I can surrender the body and the mind.  But then I'm wondering what this act of surrendering is.  And further, now I'm questioning what the mind and body are and the duality between those two.  

 

[Ishanga]

4 hours ago, Ponder said:

Books can be used to deepen understanding. I’m already enlightened (lack of suffering), but the deepening is eternal. 

Yes but they are very limited, if reading books was all it took then we would all be Enlightened which is not the case, but to each their own.. We are already Enlightened, that is not the issue, are You conscious of it?.. Are You conscious of even all the actions taking place in your Emotions? If not then being Conscious of Your Enlightenment is not happening..

Edited 8 hours ago by Ishanga

[KoryKat]

6 hours ago, Meeksauce said:

Nobody knows shit.

True, but you MUST place your bet, good sir. 

[Ishanga]

6 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Sorry to hear that. I wouldn't never outsource something like this to chatGPT personally.

Understanding your terms and definitions helps us to clearly grasp your words. 

 

He doesn't know, I've asked many times here, he refuses to offer details, just meme like responses, but they luv that around here, meme level of Awareness it seems!