The phallic position : The core of Masculinity

[Judy2]

i think Freud and all the people trying to make sense of him deserve a place in Leo's part two on deconstructing rationality, cause this is really pushing the limits of reason.

Edited Saturday at 05:49 PM by Judy2

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

18 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@NewKidOnTheBlockI think its to go back to being a kid. I think its saying you are chasing something that cant be fullfilled cause it dosent exist. When you do this you become the cock. Elon musk is the extreme version of trying really hard to find the thing that dosent exist, which is the madness. The more you cant find this thing the angrier and more malicious you get.

Wouldn't that interpretation be something much more profound than what Freud is trying to explain here? Reminds me of the Leo's videos, I think it was this one

 

One of those things were for things to feel magical again, like in childhood, I remember this one for some reason cause it felt unique to me lol

[Hojo]

@Judy2If consciousness isnt the philosophers stone, whatever object that is being talked about here is the philosophers stone.

[Someone here]

@Hojo I understand what you said (surprisingly lol)...but then what ? What does he want ? To bang some girl  ?

[Hojo]

@Someone hereYou dont want anything you want to find this and realize its a made up game. That you didnt even want to play.

Edited Saturday at 06:17 PM by Hojo

[Someone here]

@Hojo there you go . 

[Hojo]

@Someone hereThis is where abundance comes from.

[Someone here]

@Schizophonia some facial hair and the gurlz will chase you .

Edited Saturday at 06:26 PM by Someone here

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

 @Schizophonia 

Is this not counter to how you regularly rag on here about the guys having low libido?

What do you mean

1 hour ago, Judy2 said:

for example some scholar's reading of Butler's reading of Lacan's reading of Freud said that.

Ok

There's probably some Lacan in my paradigm without me realizing it, from reading so much here and there.
What I'm describing is very likely at least partially wrong; I feel it's incomplete; it's actually endless.
I'll probably do a version 2.

Edited Saturday at 07:18 PM by Schizophonia

[Schizophonia]

51 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Schizophonia some facial hair and the gurlz will chase you .

Prefer the beard  

 

Edited Saturday at 07:16 PM by Schizophonia

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, Judy2 said:

for example some scholar's reading of Butler's reading of Lacan's reading of Freud said that.

Indeed, there is probably some Lacan in what I am saying without realizing it; I have read a lot here and there.

I don't follow any particular epistemology; I just take the concepts and language elements that I like, and as I introspect, it creates a kind of ratatouille.

Edited Saturday at 07:21 PM by Schizophonia

[Leo Gura]

Freud was perhaps not a rationalist but just a pervert.

The dictionary definition of pervert should include a pic of Freud.

Haha 

Edited 22 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Sugarcoat]

I read the post and you made good points I’d say I can find certain correlations to my own thinking. But also I don’t really see the value or necessity of using certain concepts/words like “the phallus” or “opedius complex” when talking about these things, because when you initially introduce exactly what they mean, they kinda sound like a stretch. And I feel what you said could all be explained in simpler words, while still maintaining all the main points you made. 

[Schizophonia]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Freud was perhaps not a rationalist but just a pervert.

The dictionary definition of pervert should include a pic of Freud.

Haha 

He was no more perverse than anyone else.

Btw perversion means the negation of castration.

For example, I was forbidden from being a child (the feelings we project onto them, like innocence or whatever), and because this prohibition, this castration, is painful, it is denied and projected, which leads to pedophilia.

I deny that there is no love between my wife and me because otherwise there would be too much disillusionment, and so I become a cuckold.

Etcetc.

In a sense, this is what you call "corruption."

3 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

I read the post

You and your posts always so polite and expressionless.

3 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

and you made good points I’d say I can find certain correlations to my own thinking. But also I don’t really see the value or necessity of using certain concepts/words like “the phallus” or “opedius complex”

It seems to me that Lacan invented the concept of "object a", but I don't really know if it's equivalent to Freud's concept of the phallus.

The Oedipus complex is the childhood scenario that essentially teaches you that you must be the object of someone else's desire in order to have them.

It's called the Oedipus complex because, for the average person who grew up in a nuclear family, the first desire is usually for the mother, and the father tend to be seen as a rival. The same applies to a girl, although apparently the dynamic is more bisexual.

3 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

when talking about these things, because when you initially introduce exactly what they mean, they kinda sound like a stretch. And I feel what you said could all be explained in simpler words, while still maintaining all the main points you made. 

Of course, that's potentially the case.
I'll probably do a V2 with different language elements.
A generally simpler epistemology to understand.

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

He was no more perverse than anyone else.

Haha

The dude was a bonafide sex freak.

No non-pervert would create a theory of psychology about sex.

Sex is the least important aspect of the psyche. Only for perverts is it so important.

All this talk about phalluses is idiotic.

Why do I not talk about phalluses? Because I'm not a pervert.

Edited 11 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Schizophonia]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Haha

The dude was a bonafide sex freak.

No non-pervert would create a theory of psychology about sex.

Sex is the least important aspect of the psyche. Onlt for perverts is it so important.

All this talk about phalluses is idiotic.

Because you're not taking the unconscious into account; consciously you're not just thinking about sex you're thinking about lots of different things, but unconsciously you give importance to all these things because they relate to your survival, and ultimately to sex; that's what it means.

So you think making your Actualized.org videos has nothing to do with reproduction, or that it's "above" it (because of the superego?).

But why do you make these videos instead of something else?

 

"Ha ha, because it increases my consciousness and that of others, and it's good to do that."

 

Yes, but why is it good to increase one's consciousness and that of others?

 

"Well, because it allows us to have a more balanced life, and because it's our divine duty..."

 

Yes, but why is it better to have a more balanced life? And why is it our divine duty? Where does that come from? What is a "duty"? What is "divine"?

Why, why, and why...

And so, by going back from the unconscious to the conscious, by doing the phenomenology of your different desires, you will ultimately come back to this organizing principle of libido, survival, and sexuality. In accordance with psychoanalytic epistemology.

That's the martingale; that's why I don't like Carl Jung for example he doesn't go far enough; he's too "heavy," too conceptual with his stories of archetypes, animas/animus and so on; probably because, like you, he's unconsciously too puritanical to fully accept the Freudian theory of sexuality

Edited 10 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Leo Gura]

35 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

And so, by going back from the unconscious to the conscious, by doing the phenomenology of your different desires, you will ultimately come back to this organizing principle of libido,

Libido is an organizing principle for perverts.

Edited 10 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Schizophonia]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Libido is an organizing principle for perverts.

You didn't contemplate enough

[Leo Gura]

Don't forget, when you take this phallus stuff seriously it becomes your reality, your self-imposed cage.

You wanna be a pervert? Keep obsessing over Freud's phalluses and you will end up as sick as him.

Edited 9 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Schizophonia]

19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't forget, when you take this phallus stuff seriously it becomes your reality, your self-imposed cage.

You wanna be a pervert? Keep obsessing over Freud's phalluses and you will end up as sick as him.

That's why even though I enjoy playing with psychoanalysis I'm going to abandon it for the benefit of mirror effect (applied non duality), which is  even more simple, integral approach.

Edited 9 hours ago by Schizophonia