Erika Kirk is Evil.

[Sincerity]

3 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

A genuine opinion can be wrong. But it's not a lie. It's different when people lie on purpose to get away with corruption. That was not Charlie's thing at all. 

I wonder if he'd have these same opinions if they didn't make him a ton of money. 

Hateful propaganda sells, that's for sure. 

[Salvijus]

Just now, Sincerity said:

I wonder if he'd have these same opinions if they didn't make him a ton of money. 

Hateful propaganda sells, that's for sure. 

If he was worried about money, he would have stayed silent on certain issues rather than chose to die for what he believed in. 

[Wilhelm44]

5 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

A genuine opinion can be wrong. But it's not a lie. It's different when people lie on purpose to get away with corruption. That was not Charlie's thing at all. 

So we give him kudos for being truly misguided.

[Salvijus]

Just now, Wilhelm44 said:

So we give him kudos for being truly misguided.

It's a debatable matter whether or not he's misguided. 

[Sincerity]

3 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

If he was worried about money, he would have stayed silent on certain issues rather than chose to die for what he believed in. 

He didn't choose to die for what he believed in. You're making him a martyr. Which isn't true.

Do you honestly believe he'd go out there if he knew he'd be killed that day? Get real.

He didn't need to worry about money, because he made so much of it selling right-wing lies to youthful minds that he could swim in his money like Scrooge McDuck.

Edited 49 minutes ago by Sincerity

[Wilhelm44]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

It's a debatable matter whether or not he's misguided. 

I'd say a guy who thinks it's a good idea to force his daughter to have the baby if she was raped, was not the most enlightened of fellows. 

[Salvijus]

2 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

Do you honestly believe he'd go out there if he knew he'd be killed that day? Get real.

It seems like you know absolute nothing about what happened except what CNN told you...

[Salvijus]

Just now, Wilhelm44 said:

I'd say a guy who thinks it's a good idea to force his daughter to have the baby if she was raped, was not the most enlightened of fellows. 

You're free to think that. And you can listen to his arguments and reasoning first. Then try to debunk those arguments on an open platform. On an open debate. That way we all move forward. That's what good people do. That's what Charlie did. 

[Sincerity]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

It seems like you know absolute nothing about what happened except what CNN told you...

I read/watched a fair bunch about the whole ordeal. And I don't watch TV. But I wonder what sources you listen to. I think I asked you like 6-12 months ago, but you didn't say...

Anyway, this is pointless. Thanks for the back and forth.

[Wilhelm44]

2 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

You're free to think that. And you can listen to his arguments and reasoning first. Then try to debunk those arguments on an open platform. On an open debate. That way we all move forward. That's what good people do. That's what Charlie did. 

I have listened to Charlie. And I refuse to turn him into some kind of hero just because his death was traumatizing. 

[Salvijus]

4 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I refuse to turn him into some kind of hero just because his death was traumatizing. 

That's not why people turned him into a hero. I already explained the main point of what makes him one. 

4 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

I read/watched a fair bunch about the whole ordeal. And I don't watch TV. But I wonder what sources you listen to. I think I asked you like 6-12 months ago, but you didn't say...

Anyway, this is pointless. Thanks for the back and forth.

🙏

Edited 36 minutes ago by Salvijus

[Schizophonia]

What did she do 

[Wilhelm44]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

That's not why people turned him into a hero. I already explained the main point of what makes him one. 

🙏

You said he was a hero because he fostered debate, but really he was part of a conservative propaganda machine.

He wanted to convince people to vote conservative, that was the real intention.

And once again, he was assassinated, was he truly willing to die, who knows. 

It was traumatizing for sure, and if some people need to view him in a super positive light in order to heal, so be it.

Personally I don't feel the need to do that.

[Salvijus]

3 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

You said he was a hero because he fostered debate, but really he was part of a conservative propaganda machine

Open debate is never a propaganda. It's the antidote against propaganda. 

[Wilhelm44]

Just now, Salvijus said:

Open debate is never a propaganda. It's the antidote against propaganda. 

Come on, he went there to win votes for the conservatives.

 

[Salvijus]

2 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Come on, he went there to win votes for the conservatives.

 

If his arguments are stronger, then he deserves to win. Let the strongest arguments win while everyone participate in the game. That's the true way to greater future. 

Edited 11 minutes ago by Salvijus

[Hojo]

I didnt see him change his views once during his debates how was he growing? He would have people tell his people what they were going to ask before they came up then build a grift around that. If you hold one position the entire time and dont change it its not growing or debating. He was strictly a conservative talking head Bible thumping Christian.

No one had anything good to say about him till he died now he's a martyr for conservatives for politics. I don't even know if he's dead.

Edited just now by Hojo

[Wilhelm44]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

If his arguments are stronger, then he deserves to win. Let the strongest arguments win while everyone participate in the game. That's how we will get closer to truth. 

I think he probably had a not so good influence on a lot of young impressionable minds.

I'm gonna say this again, this is a guy who thought it a good idea to force his daughter to have the baby if she was ever raped.

I'm sorry for his terrible death, but he was not a wise man. 

(I still don't get what's the big deal about Charlie being willing to debate others, that's literally what people in politics do, they debate stuff.)