What's the point of trying to understand reality, if reality is mystical?

[Breakingthewall]

@Inliytened1 ah you mean how. Same than anything else that exists, by relationship synchronized creating patterns over patterns of fluctuations that creates stable forms. Just as an atom but more complex. Existence is always that. Fluctuations that mesh and create patterns. 

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[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What you call consciousness is created by the brain and sensory organs,

 

 

How is it created..Just magically? Really think this one through.  

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

How is it created..Just magically? Really think this one through.  

Forms appear because there are no limits. Staticity is impossible; reality is always dynamic. There is always fluctuation, contrast, and a breaking of symmetries.

It seems an inevitable law that the most coherent possibility prevails. This occurs from subatomic scales to the evolution of species. It is not magic; it is limitlessness. It is inevitable. 

[Breakingthewall]

15 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

How is it created..Just magically? Really think this one through.  

 

18 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Inliytened1 ah you mean how. Same than anything else that exists, by relationship synchronized creating patterns over patterns of fluctuations that creates stable forms. Just as an atom but more complex. Existence is always that. Fluctuations that mesh and create patterns. 

 

[Breakingthewall]

@Inliytened1 but look, that the reality is not "magic" doesn't mean that it's not glorious. Opening yourself to the total is absolute glory, total freedom, the end of the lack, the end of the searching. It's total. But it's just absence of limits. Just that. 

[Inliytened1]

41 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

 

You're funny.  But words such as"by relationship synchronized creating patterns over patterns of fluctuations that creates stable forms" does not equal consciousness.   You will never, and nor will any scientist be able to explain the process..because it doesn't exist.  Consciousness created the neurons. Once you understand this you can understand reality..but not before.  You use words like infinity but it seems like you use them when convenient.   A bunch of BS if you ask me.

[Breakingthewall]

8 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

A bunch of BS if you ask me.

Well, that's your opinion. I think that after so much effort and explanation, saying that offensive words defines you. Congratulations. Inlightened absolutely, as your nickname saiys

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[Ishanga]

5 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Forms appear because there are no limits. Staticity is impossible; reality is always dynamic. There is always fluctuation, contrast, and a breaking of symmetries.

It seems an inevitable law that the most coherent possibility prevails. This occurs from subatomic scales to the evolution of species. It is not magic; it is limitlessness. It is inevitable. 

Yes, but the most basic essence of reality imo is not dynamism but stillness or staticty, this is the foundation of all creation, think of a clear and still small lake, perfect in sight and completely silent, that is the basis of creation, then a rock is thrown into it, ripples flow out, that is creation being born and expanding, but eventually the ripples dissipate and end, then its back to stillness/staticity and silence again...

Everything has a foundation, its just a matter of breaking it all down, something is standing upon something else, for dynamism or movement to happen it has to have a stable, still base, so stillness is basic foundation of everything existing...

If everything came from nothing (Shiva-"That which is Not") then stillness is nothing, dynamism/movement/change is something...

Edited 3 hours ago by Ishanga

[Inliytened1]

@Ishanga the question is is consciousness made of atoms or is it just mystical.

[Joshe]

You can't fully understand reality. The whole pursuit is neurotic. Even if you could, you're a human. So guess what, you're understanding would amount to that of understanding how David Copperfield moves mountains. Once the magic trick is revealed, the magic is no longer magic. Back to reality. Which is why they say "chop wood carry water" before AND after enlightenment. This concept is important. 

What do you think you're going to achieve with some "mental recognition" or some "mental knowing"? All you have is some "special knowledge" from your meditation or psychedelic cushion that 99% of people could care less about. 

You can sit there and yell "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND" for a few years until you get tired. 

Reality itself is entirely magical. Obviously. And you can be absolutely thrilled by it. But to hope to possess some special knowing that others don't have access to - then you're heading into psychosis. Even if you did reach that point, your best play is to keep your mouth shut and just appreciate the magic.

As soon as you start professing how much you know about the magic, it's time to begin an entirely new inquiry.

Edited 2 hours ago by Joshe

[Inliytened1]

39 minutes ago, Joshe said:

You can't fully understand reality. The whole pursuit is neurotic. Even if you could, you're a human. So guess what, you're understanding would amount to that of understanding how David Copperfield moves mountains. Once the magic trick is revealed, the magic is no longer magic. Back to reality. Which is why they say "chop wood carry water" before AND after enlightenment. This concept is important. 

What do you think you're going to achieve with some "mental recognition" or some "mental knowing"? All you have is some "special knowledge" from your meditation or psychedelic cushion that 99% of people could care less about. 

You can sit there and yell "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND" for a few years until you get tired. 

Reality itself is entirely magical. Obviously. And you can be absolutely thrilled by it. But to hope to possess some special knowing that others don't have access to - then you're heading into psychosis. Even if you did reach that point, your best play is to keep your mouth shut and just appreciate the magic.

As soon as you start professing how much you know about the magic, it's time to begin an entirely new inquiry.

Nice of you to delve into these waters.   Good to see you here and its about time.

You can know reality fully and. completely.  It's known as enlightenment.  With enlightenment the human or the self drops. So you do become fully aware that you are God and fully omniscient.  I don't think you comprehend the depths to which this goes.  The entire dream ceases to be.  This dream on which you can post and message me.  All of it goes away.  You do become reality. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Inliytened1

[Someone here]

1 hour ago, Joshe said:

You can't fully understand reality. The whole pursuit is neurotic. Even if you could, you're a human. So guess what, you're understanding would amount to that of understanding how David Copperfield moves mountains. Once the magic trick is revealed, the magic is no longer magic. Back to reality. Which is why they say "chop wood carry water" before AND after enlightenment. This concept is important. 

What do you think you're going to achieve with some "mental recognition" or some "mental knowing"? All you have is some "special knowledge" from your meditation or psychedelic cushion that 99% of people could care less about. 

You can sit there and yell "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND" for a few years until you get tired. 

Reality itself is entirely magical. Obviously. And you can be absolutely thrilled by it. But to hope to possess some special knowing that others don't have access to - then you're heading into psychosis. Even if you did reach that point, your best play is to keep your mouth shut and just appreciate the magic.

As soon as you start professing how much you know about the magic, it's time to begin an entirely new inquiry.

THIS!!