Only way to Truth, and great conversation with Mellowmarsh

[James123]

Just now, Ishanga said:

No contradiction, Swami Rama did intense Sadhana to have that ability, You probably have not, so try the experiment, stop eating and drinking, see what happens!

You won't do it because You know what will happen, which is Body will take over, make You eat and drink, and bring You back to reality!

The body can live without eating I think for 10 days, the guy has stopped his heartbeat maybe max 5 minutes. Tyson got hit with 1 tons, yet still standing up, but one slow jab put him down. Nature always win. 

Then, Body ate again and heart beat again. 

Don't waste your life with comparing or trying to become. Surrender.

Peace.

[Mellowmarsh]

4 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

You won't do it because You know what will happen, which is Body will take over, make You eat and drink, and bring You back to reality!

The body controls functionality all by itself, alone. It controls temperature all by itself. 

The body doesn’t force. The functionality is automatic. 
 

[Mellowmarsh]

12 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

 whatever bla bla bla, stay in the tribe then:)

Listen more. Learn to see beyond the fog of bla bla bla. 

[Mellowmarsh]

23 minutes ago, James123 said:

İf there is a total love in the heart, that means is you are already dead.

İf you give everything, that mean is you are already dead. And there is no need go back to God, because it is already You.

That is amazing beautiful awesome wisdom. Pure beauty expressing itself through sound and vision 💯

 

... Leo has said similar things , he’s mentioned same idea. 
There’s only the beloved here, dreaming difference where there is none.

[Ishanga]

28 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

The body controls functionality all by itself, alone. It controls temperature all by itself. 

The body doesn’t force. The functionality is automatic. 
 

Within the Body is Source Intelligence, others call it God, the spark of God is within all of Us, only Human can be intouch with this intelligence to a high degree, once You are You are a living God.

Some just want Enlightenment, You and James123, others want that and more, they want to know the nuts and bolts of Existence, how it works, why it works, when it started and such things.. Our Body is a micro universe, all the history and secrets of it are within our Body, we can know all of it if we are intouch with that Source Intelligence that is running the body on auto pilot, having control of it is just the beginning!

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, James123 said:

Therefore, it is not a recognition, realization, experience etc... Just Being, exactly as before physical birth or big bang).

So the reality is before the big bang, and after the big bang it's a false reality. So we should wait to the big bang finishing to be again in the true reality? 

 

6 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

@Breakingthewall The mouth overflows with what the heart is full of.

 

It’s all fine, it’s all just the Beloved. Everything is okay, SHE’s just singing. 

Shit you are so deep, like a poet, full of grace. 

You and James are so deep beautiful souls, namaste brothers , namaste. Let's sing because we are so special, so different, so blessed!!!

Let's buy white linen clothing and to set up an ashram where people will appreciate how wonderfully pure we are and will deify us!

Alleluia loved pure brothers, alleluia, we are the choose ones, the beloveds, the special. 

Ahhh narcissists, you are so funny 🤣 

 

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[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, Ishanga said:

He's an Absolutist, like many here, they think and understand on the Absolute level only, but they ignore what is.

You don't understand yet an important point. They want to feel special, not understanding reality. The problem is the order, look:

1 they need to feel special, it's an absolute need, because they can't face themselves, they are immersed in the ego, in the pain of the lack of love 

2 they find a exit to this horrible situation: being an enlightened.

Look the difference, it's very important: not get enlightenment, being AN enlightened. Do you understand? They are not going to humble themselves and do a real work to really open their energetic system, they are going to try to fit with what they consider what an enlightened being is, because they need to think that they are enlightened because their self esteem. 

You are arguing with James to make him see anything, then he answers with a contra argument. You are playing tennis, all the conversation with James are playing tennis, because he needs to win, to maintain the enlightenment image. He's a prisoner, a narcissist. Like millions in the world. Self image is a very powerful engine to move humans, but it's a madness

 

Edited 12 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, Ishanga said:

or try to perceive Absolute, just get Happy, Healthy, Empowered in Your Body and Mind Complexes

Maybe that works for you but not for me, I was immersed in a emotional structure that was a hammer, in my case life put me in a impossible enigma. First I had to break absolutely all the energetic barriers, then connect body, mind and find harmony. Without a previous total destruction would be impossible. 

 

[James123]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

So the reality is before the big bang, and after the big bang it's a false reality. So we should wait to the big bang finishing to be again in the true reality? 

Truth is always Now (where the big bag happened from). 

Body, mind, universe is temporary appearance within. And that's what the love is.

Big bang comes and goes, arises and falls within the Truth.

[James123]

9 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Stella clarity 👍💯

Keep it going bro, you’re good. Specially admire how you don’t get all judgemental in a negative manner when fiercely challenged, you have the patience of a saint. Like how you can remain calm and confident, never allowing yourself to become passive aggressive or flustered or perturbed by your critics. This is effortless for you because you genuinely “Know Thyself” with a crystal clear clarity. You’re flowing bro, it’s nice to watch. That’s why I really love this forum. 
 

I didn’t quite catch your drift when I first came to this forum, but then after a while , the penny just dropped, it was an amazing ah ha moment. You’ve said a lot of things that have forced me to think really hard about what you’re talking about. Then something just clicked for me, where I couldn’t help but think omg James you’re actually making perfect sense. You have helped me enormously. I really value your contributions and your participation on this forum, and just needed to let you know that, because I think your due some respect and credit for all you do here, tbh. Thanks so much.

 

 

Genuine Compassion and Love oozes from your being James. Some readers will see it, others won’t. 

Take care dear one. 

As you said Know Thyself, share and care my brother. That's all life is about.

Much love to you.

[Breakingthewall]

29 minutes ago, James123 said:

Truth is always Now (where the big bag happened from). 

Body, mind, universe is temporary appearance within. And that's what the love is.

Big bang comes and goes, arises and falls within the Truth.

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

Then the truth is something that produces a big bang. And a big bang is love. Well, if those are your ideas, you should explain them deeply. Why it's love? Why "the truth" produces big bangs? How do you know that? 

[Mellowmarsh]

7 minutes ago, James123 said:

As you said Know Thyself, share and care my brother. That's all life is about.

Much love to you.

OLLI  AYE😎

 

Right back at ya. One life live it. Enjoy living your best life. 🙏 You’ve earned it, it’s your birthright.

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, James123 said:

As you said Know Thyself, share and care my brother. That's all life is about.

Much love to you.

Man, you and the other sending self esteem each other are so sweet that Im having a diabetic attac.

Edited 11 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[James123]

19 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then the truth is something that produces a big bang. And a big bang is love. Well, if those are your ideas, you should explain them deeply. Why it's love? Why "the truth" produces big bangs? How do you know that? 

Do you think that big bang happened because of saying because of this and this? only reason of big bang is love.

You can read a library to understand love, but you can't. You have to let go all.

Moreover, things or big bang happened for body and mind. You never even move.

17 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Man, you and the other sending self esteem each other are so sweet that Im having a diabetic attac.

For Truth, the one who says that must die. Are you willing?

Edited 10 hours ago by James123

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

only reason of big bang is love.

How do you know that? The absolute that is nothing did it for love? Sounds like an arbitrary deduction

1 hour ago, James123 said:

For Truth, the one who says that must die. Are you willing?

Then if I die, that is, stop controlling, or thinking, I will realize that the truth did the big bang, the body, the mind all that for love? So for a reason. Then, the absolute have choice and in a given moment it decided: for love, I'm going to do a big bang 

Edited 9 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[James123]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

How do you know that? The absolute that is nothing did it for love? Sounds like an arbitrary deduction

I am sorry but I really don't know how to explain. Maybe, best feeling ever, but it's not even a feeling. It is the entire exiistence. 

Check out Rumi. He is the king of lovers.

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then if I die, that is, stop controlling, or thinking, I will realize that the truth did the big bang, the body, the mind all that for love? So for a reason. Then, the absolute have choice and in a given moment it decided: for love, I'm going to do a big bang 

If you die, mind chatters and it is not you, therefore mind only chats when it's necessary. You will be dead,how can you realize? 

Absolute doesn't choice. When you die you just Be, and existence is love. However, when you just Be, realizer, big bang becomes irrelevant. Yet, love is here, there, now.

But most importantly to achieve this comes through mind. The achiever must stop therefore inevatibly dies.

When you say oh I am Being, that's already lost, when you say I am love, that's already lost.

Because it is not about gaining all about loosing. And when you lost everything there is no need to, therefore, no one left to claim or ask.

[Mellowmarsh]

How do you know?

 

If you have to ask that question, you don’t know. But you do know because you are the knowing that cannot be known.

Edited 8 hours ago by Mellowmarsh

[zazen]

On 11/23/2025 at 11:26 AM, Breakingthewall said:

On 11/23/2025 at 9:57 AM, zazen said:

The vantage point is made of the Absolute, but doesn’t encompass the Absolute. A vantage point is finite by definition, whilst the Absolute is limitless. But this limitless includes the capacity for self-limitation - because a limitless that couldn’t express as a limit would in fact be limited.

The specific manifestation, the self, the vantage point, whatever we call it, is made of the essence of the absolute, but also of the totality of form. I think it's important to see this. This doesn't mean there aren't more vantage points, but rather that the center is an energetic construct, an "illusion" (a misleading word), and what you are contains the totality of form. The gears that make you move are in the cosmos in its entirety. A butterfly flaps its wings in the parallel universe xj12700, and you think that your neighbor is hot.  Everything is totally interconnected; nothing is separate, neither in essence nor in form. Or if you prefer, a thought about your neighbor appears creating a center of tension that wants, a self, and that self , with wanting, is the cause of a limitless line of effects 

Distinction matters (between essence and form) - we are not the totality of form, but of essence. The part contains the whole in essence, but not in form - how can it? Are you totality in form? Do you have the power of the absolute, of totality? Of course not. We are in totality, arising from it - but not totality or the absolute in form. Ocean water is in a particular wave, but the wave isn't the ocean in its entirety. If every vantage point “contains the totality'' then the term “vantage point” becomes meaningless - because everything is everything. This is what spiritualists do when they get reductive and harp on about ''all is one''.

Everything is interconnected- but that doesn't mean sameness. Conflating the two is the trap. The butterfly flapping its wings in the parallel universe affects things - but that doesn't mean you ARE that butterfly. Things being related and interconnected doesn't mean the same or identical. This is conflating relational inter-connectivity with ontological totality. ''Everything is everything'' erases distinctions to the point nothing matters - including the relationship between forms affecting each other.

Saying "we contain the totality of form" or ''we are god'' from that level - is like saying because we're connected to the internet, we ARE the entire internet. But obviously we aren't - we're just accessing it from a local device ie a vantage point, a particular localized point of access.

 

[Breakingthewall]

22 minutes ago, zazen said:

Saying "we contain the totality of form" or ''we are god'' from that level - is like saying because we're connected to the internet, we ARE the entire internet.

I explained wrong, what I meant in that any manifestation or form is caused by the totality of the form and, at the same time, is the cause of the becoming of the form. There is no hierarchy; nothing is superior to another part. The part is the whole, and the whole is the part.

If you divide infinity into parts, each part is infinity, only with a different appearance. Any form is a vibration, a coherent relational movement coordinated infinitely. If you study a little quantum physics, you understand that any manifestation is fundamentally relational, and that coherent relationships naturally tend to group themselves into increasingly complex patterns if the necessary coherence allows it.

There is no creator god above you; you are that god, and an ant is too. There are no levels; there are emergent manifestations of the infinite relationships that happens when then coherence allows it. 

The reality manifested is constantly changing phase. When a system reach a critical point of coherence, a jump to another phase of complexity happens. Life is another phase after complex molecules, civilization is another phase after tribe, technological humanity is another phase after colonialism, multidimensional immortal cyborgs are another possible phase. But essentially they are exactly the same as an atom. Coherent relationship, mathematical possibility coherent with the whole. 

[Breakingthewall]

@zazen about the distinction between essence and form. I'm going to explain as clear as I can.

There is only one essence and infinite potential forms, I suppose you'd agree. The point is understanding what the essence of everything is. Let me explain my point of view. At a certain point, you decide to delve deep within yourself, to seek enlightenment, because you sense that possibility, but nothing you read resonates completely. Then you become (at least I did) obsessed with meditation and psychedelics, going all in, no prisoners. 

Then those phases happen:

First, begin to see the structure of the self. You see that what you are is a node of tension, a center created by energetic layers based on genetic mechanisms of fear of destruction, attachment to the clan, and an absolute need to be accepted by the tribe. This is extremely powerful, and deactivating it is a great challenge.

Second, you are able to go beyond meaning, you can empty your mind completely, reach absolute silence without terror, then the void occurs. Reality is a transparent, superficial hologram, and beneath it there is only an infinite expanse of the void. It is extremely difficult to endure this; it is terrifying.

Third: at a certain point you realize that there is still a center observing the void; there is a subtle separation. Then the shift occurs: you realize you were looking outward, you change your focus, you look inward. You are something, what are you? It opens up. It is, metaphorically speaking, your heart. It contains everything. The infinite void is permeated by your substance. It has no limits, it is inexhaustible, it is everything. It is absolute totality. The form is not an hologram anymore, it's alive, full of life.

Then you realize that what your substance is is limitlessness; the absence of limits that you are translates into totality. Nothing is missing; you have always been that. What you are is outside of time; not  "happening." "Happen" is a possibility, an inevitable dance that occurs given the inherent instability of limitlessness. Nothing contains you; you are everything; nothing is missing; hallelujah, you are free.

Edited 4 hours ago by Breakingthewall