Only way to Truth, and great conversation with Mellowmarsh

[James123]

Just now, Ishanga said:

Ditto..

You see what happens, now your God knowing what will happen when I die lol...

If Your don't see Your own narcissism then you never will!

When death comes, you will burn till not even ashes left.

Remember these words because you will need it, "When death comes, do not hold anything and surrender. Otherwise, you will meet with the hell".

What narcissism man, listen to me, you will burn, even your DNA will burns.

listen to me, surrender before too late my friend. 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

Sharing is fine, addiction to Intellect and believing it is the be all end all is no so fine, its start but not an end... So all the sharing is okay, concluding is not so okay when it comes to Spiritual matters, Reality, God/Absolute and such things.  Its okay to conclude that I have to be careful crossing a busy highway, that is obvious, but not so obvious when it comes to the Absolute and the filtering down to our level as Human Beings on this dual, karmic planet...

 

The logical mental system is an important part of the human mind. If you want to align all your energies to be open to the absolute the logical mind must be aligned. You don't need to understand everything but if you have a logical system based in mistake you are trapped 

[Breakingthewall]

52 minutes ago, James123 said:

Yo don't understand and that's totally normal. Because, YOU are the only veil who is trying to understand, realize, experience, or collection of all these makes you you. 

Therefore die, let the controller, owner die.

Body and mind is not You. They are them own.

Then body and mind are things separate from me? 

[James123]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then body and mind are things separate from me? 

They arises within You, yet out of control. And ironically, when body behaves it's own, it is perfection. 

Mind thinks, body moves it's own.

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

They arises within You, yet out of control. And ironically, when body behaves it's own, it is perfection. 

Mind thinks, body moves it's own.

So there is me, like a entity, that arises together with a thing, the body, that behaves on its own, and a third thing, the mind, that must be silent by me. So what I am? The one who is going to silent the mind? How? With another mind?

[James123]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

So there is me, like a entity, that arises together with a thing, the body, that behaves on its own, and a third thing, the mind, that must be silent by me. So what I am? The one who is going to silent the mind? How? With another mind?

You are not an entity. 

İmagine big bang. From nothing (not even a word of nothing, because it is something), anything arises and falls. 

From Unnamable, with the birth of the body, big bang happened, and death of body big bang will backwards to Unnamable again. 

İmagine before physical birth. That's what You really are is. İt is Unnamable, unexplainable or unexperiencable, because anything we name and label, feel, experience belongs the things that start with birth. Firstly, the mind.

[Breakingthewall]

15 minutes ago, James123 said:

You are not an entity. 

İmagine big bang. From nothing (not even a word of nothing, because it is something), anything arises and falls. 

From Unnamable, with the birth of the body, big bang happened, and death of body big bang will backwards to Unnamable again. 

İmagine before physical birth. That's what You really are is. İt is Unnamable, unexplainable or unexperiencable, because anything we name and label, feel, experience belongs the things that start with birth. Firstly, the mind.

Then me, that I am unnameable, unexplainable and unexperiencable have to silent the mind that is another thing. How could I do that if I'm the nothing before the birth? Maybe do you mean that I am the perceiver, the center who is perceiving the mind and the body, then that center decides to silent the mind?

[James123]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then me, that I am unnameable, unexplainable and unexperiencable have to silent the mind that is another thing. How could I do that if I'm the nothing before the birth? Maybe do you mean that I am the perceiver, the center who is perceiving the mind and the body, then that center decides to silent the mind?

Life happens trough You yet out of control.

When one deeply digests (I don't know better word) that they are not the body and mind, even mind talks it doesn't bother and therefore after that mind become silence. İf you try to stop the mind, it will never work. 

You are always now, birth, death, existence, universe don't matter.

Therefore, just stepping back from body, giving back of all control and surrendering is the only way.

The body writes, perceives, mind chatters, heart beats, liver works, but ego (actually controller) vanished and You rest as always. 

Then sleeping and being awake becomes identical, night and day becomes identical. Because, these all are necessary for the body and mind.

You are always what You are.

[Breakingthewall]

17 minutes ago, James123 said:

When one deeply digests (I don't know better word) that they are not the body and mind

How could you digest anything if you are not the mind? Who understands that? The absolute reality? How? So the absolute reality was confused thinking that it was the mind but in some moment it realizes that is not the mind. It's a mental process , so is the mind who realizes that

[Mellowmarsh]

26 minutes ago, James123 said:

You are not an entity. 

İmagine big bang. From nothing (not even a word of nothing, because it is something), anything arises and falls. 

From Unnamable, with the birth of the body, big bang happened, and death of body big bang will backwards to Unnamable again. 

İmagine before physical birth. That's what You really are is. İt is Unnamable, unexplainable or unexperiencable, because anything we name and label, feel, experience belongs the things that start with birth. Firstly, the mind.

Stella clarity 👍💯

Keep it going bro, you’re good. Specially admire how you don’t get all judgemental in a negative manner when fiercely challenged, you have the patience of a saint. Like how you can remain calm and confident, never allowing yourself to become passive aggressive or flustered or perturbed by your critics. This is effortless for you because you genuinely “Know Thyself” with a crystal clear clarity. You’re flowing bro, it’s nice to watch. That’s why I really love this forum. 
 

I didn’t quite catch your drift when I first came to this forum, but then after a while , the penny just dropped, it was an amazing ah ha moment. You’ve said a lot of things that have forced me to think really hard about what you’re talking about. Then something just clicked for me, where I couldn’t help but think omg James you’re actually making perfect sense. You have helped me enormously. I really value your contributions and your participation on this forum, and just needed to let you know that, because I think your due some respect and credit for all you do here, tbh. Thanks so much.

 

 

Genuine Compassion and Love oozes from your being James. Some readers will see it, others won’t. 

Take care dear one. 

[Breakingthewall]

41 minutes ago, James123 said:

You are always what You are.

Sure, the void before birth and that. 

Let me give a more simple explanation. You are a human with a mind. That mind has a complex energetic system that always creates a tensional node that perceives itself as a center, perceiver, who wants the better and avoid the worse.

This center in a given moment thinks: wtf is this horrible shit? I only perceive threatening and fear, isolation and lack. Not funny! Then as I am a smart self, I'm going to do something very Counterintuitive. I'm going to dissolve myself as a center. Not as a mind. Obviously, the mind is real, the body too, everything is real, but the configuration of this reality is extremely unpleasant, so let's see what we can do.

Then, at a certain point, this self manages to break the tension, like an energetic knot, and opens up. Done! Then it realizes that it was dividing reality into sectors to manage it, positioning itself as the operational center, which is useful, but you have to be able to let go at will.

By doing so, the whole system opens up, meaning disappears,  reality manifests its vitality, its depth. But it can still do more. It can, even as a center that knows it's just an operational system, a form, make movement, then experience, change,  lose even more relevance.

Then there's total vastness, without edges, without bottom. Wow, is that all? No! You have to go deeper, endure this absence of foundation, not cling.

Then reality reveals itself: the totality, that which is everything. which is obviously absolutely everything, what you are, what you have always been.

Edited 1 hour ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

14 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Stella clarity 👍💯

Keep it going bro, you’re good. Specially admire how you don’t get all judgemental in a negative manner when fiercely challenged, you have the patience of a saint. Like how you can remain calm and confident, never allowing yourself to become passive aggressive or flustered or perturbed by your critics. This is effortless for you because you genuinely “Know Thyself” with a crystal clear clarity. You’re flowing bro, it’s nice to watch. That’s why I really love this forum. 
 

I didn’t quite catch your drift when I first came to this forum, but then after a while , the penny just dropped, it was an amazing ah ha moment. You’ve said a lot of things that have forced me to think really hard about what you’re talking about. Then something just clicked for me, where I couldn’t help but think omg James you’re actually making perfect sense. You have helped me enormously. I really value your contributions and your participation on this forum, and just needed to let you know that, because I think your due some respect and credit for all you do here, tbh. Thanks so much.

 

 

Genuine Compassion and Love oozes from your being James. Some readers will see it, others won’t. 

Take care dear one. 

🤣He's just a liar

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

🤣He's just a liar

Lol, he could well be, but then if he’s a liar, then aren’t we all, it’s all very convincing though, eh? 🤭 😉 

The grand cosmic yolk is on all of us eggs, eh? Lol  

 

 

 

 

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

How could you digest anything if you are not the mind? Who understands that? The absolute reality? How?

Death. After death, there is no need to, expect to, wanting to, act to, taking an action to understand, realize or experience etc... And that's what it is. Therefore, it is not a recognition, realization, experience etc... Just Being, exactly as before physical birth or big bang).

14 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

So the absolute reality was confused thinking that it was the mind but in some moment it realizes that is not the mind. It's a mental process , so is the mind who realizes that

No. Mind thinks that. Absolute is behind all the scenes.

İt is like, mind is chattering in front, body act in front and You are behind of all. İt is not silence, because not the noise either, not emptiness because not fullness either. No words can pass. 

You can't imagine, understand or experience, only Be.

[Ishanga]

@Breakingthewall He's an Absolutist, like many here, they think and understand on the Absolute level only, but they ignore what is.

What is is that I have this Body and Mind as tools to use while here (which is not the Absolute) and is under my control if I want them too be.  But if Your unaware or ignore the Body and Mind they will bite You in the ass..  

So this Absolutist approach, its half right in a way.. There is no Body or Mind or anything Material/Physical, there is really just this Absolute, which is limitless Potential and Possibility.. But we are here in this Dual, Karmic, Cause and Effect world, dealing with Human challenges of Survival, Cold Weather, Having Kids, them living or dying by accident or some other cause by random chance, Economic systems, Polictical Systems, on and on, but they ignore it, just BE is the motto, no need for Sadhana or any Doing on Your part..

But what if the non doing doesn't work, and I'm still Suffering, dealing with all this world has to offer (see Mental Health section)?...

So its an incomplete outlook and approach.. I call it the Top Down approach, it can work but is not for everybody.. I'm more into the Bottom Up approach which is deal with where You are right now, don't think, or try to perceive Absolute, just get Happy, Healthy, Empowered in Your Body and Mind Complexes, and then go from there, see where it ends up.. I guarantee if Your Peaceful of Your own nature, nothing can disturb it, then Enlightenment will be Natural For You!

Edited 1 hour ago by Ishanga

[Mellowmarsh]

@Breakingthewall The mouth overflows with what the heart is full of.

 

It’s all fine, it’s all just the Beloved. Everything is okay, SHE’s just singing. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Mellowmarsh

[cetus]

12 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

The mouth overflows with what the heart is full of.

If that was always the case, we wouldn't need mods. But some people just don't live from the heart center.

Edited 1 hour ago by cetus

[James123]

12 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Sure, the void before birth and that. 

Let me give a more simple explanation. You are a human with a mind. That mind has a complex energetic system that always creates a tensional node that perceives itself as a center, perceiver, who wants the better and avoid the worse.

This center in a given moment thinks: wtf is this horrible shit? I only perceive threatening and fear, isolation and lack. Not funny! Then as I am a smart self, I'm going to do something very Counterintuitive. I'm going to dissolve myself as a center. Not as a mind. Obviously, the mind is real, the body too, everything is real, but the configuration of this reality is extremely unpleasant, so let's see what we can do.

Then, at a certain point, this self manages to break the tension, like an energetic knot, and opens up. Done! Then it realizes that it was dividing reality into sectors to manage it, positioning itself as the operational center, which is useful, but you have to be able to let go at will.

By doing so, the whole system opens up, meaning disappears,  reality manifests its vitality, its depth. But it can still do more. It can, even as a center that knows it's just an operational system, a form, make movement, then experience, change,  lose even more relevance.

Then there's total vastness, without edges, without bottom. Wow, is that all? No! You have to go deeper, endure this absence of foundation, not cling.

Then reality reveals itself: the totality, that which is everything. which is obviously absolutely everything, what you are, what you have always been.

This energy stuff, infinity, etc... All bullshit. 

10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

🤣He's just a liar

if you name and label is important, you are still important for you. So, what you doing is trying to be right according to your beliefs system. Which is an another bullshit.

@Mellowmarsh anytime brother.

[James123]

15 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

@Breakingthewall He's an Absolutist, like many here, they think and understand on the Absolute level only, but they ignore what is.

What is is that I have this Body and Mind as tools to use while here (which is not the Absolute) and is under my control if I want them too be.  But if Your unaware or ignore the Body and Mind they will bite You in the ass..  

So this Absolutist approach, its half right in a way.. There is no Body or Mind or anything Material/Physical, there is really just this Absolute, which is limitless Potential and Possibility.. But we are here in this Dual, Karmic, Cause and Effect world, dealing with Human challenges of Survival, Cold Weather, Having Kids, them living or dying by accident or some other cause by random chance, Economic systems, Polictical Systems, on and on, but they ignore it, just BE is the motto, no need for Sadhana or any Doing on Your part..

But what if the non doing doesn't work, and I'm still Suffering, dealing with all this world has to offer (see Mental Health section)?...

So its an incomplete outlook and approach.. I call it the Top Down approach, it can work but is not for everybody.. I'm more into the Bottom Up approach which is deal with where You are right now, don't think, or try to perceive Absolute, just get Happy, Healthy, Empowered in Your Body and Mind Complexes, and then go from there, see where it ends up.. I guarantee if Your Peaceful of Your own nature, nothing can disturb it, then Enlightenment will be Natural For You!

My brother, body and mind is already perfect and doesn't need you.

İgnoring the body is bullshit. Yet it is out of control.

Try to control the mind or heart beat 😊 

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, cetus said:

If that was always the case, we wouldn't need mods.

I’ve never witnessed bad, threatening, or socially unacceptable behaviour from James here at this forum that could possibly warrant concern or moderation. The guy is naturally self moderating, takes a lot of self responsibility and maturity to control one’s emotions like that..