Pixar's Early Days - A Never-Before-Seen Interview With Steve Jobs

[UnbornTao]

 

 

[Leo Gura]

Jobs earned more money from Pixar than Apple.

And Jobs bought Pixar from George Lucas. What a crazy business.

[UnbornTao]

22 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Jobs earned more money from Pixar than Apple.

And Jobs bought Pixar from George Lucas. What a crazy business.

Was particularly interested in his focus on quality storytelling.

In some cases, a gradual decline in quality seems to occur over time, as seen in media franchises such as Disney (in general), The Simpsons, the Star Wars films, or the Elder Scrolls games.

It seems that something is (perhaps "inevitably") lost in that process. Could be called devolution, or complacency?

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Could be called devolution, or complacency?

Combination of corruption and just burn out.

You can't milk the same cow forever.

The Simpsons should have died decades ago. But those corrupt and creatively bankrupt executives want their $$$.

Edited yesterday at 12:53 AM by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

 

[Leo Gura]

It's almost like some kind of conformity.

[Leo Gura]

[Natasha Tori Maru]

inc marketing team:

milk it boys and never stop

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

14 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

 

This is quite ironic because every iphone lately has been juiced by marketers to death, exactly as Jobs described marketing teams flogging products with the equivalent of a 'new bottle shape' as a product.

[Leo Gura]

Over a founder's dead body is exactly how companies go to hell. Which is why the founder was necessary to create it.

A founder is necessarily non-conformist.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Indeed, just IMAGINE Job's reaction to what apple has become.

I recall my media teacher in high school - the first iPod had recently come out. We all had huge hard drives for film work, Nokia 3210, iPods (if lucky) and huge camera setups. He said, and I quote 'give it 15-20 years and Apple will have consolidated all of this stuff into a pocket sized media centre + phone everyone carries with them'.

He called it - and he also said Steve Jobs would probably have a ball busting time with business because he was so non-conformist & building something no one could envision.

[Girzo]

Nah, Apple still rocks, M series chips are the best the mobile computing world has seen, no-one can catch up to this level of innovation and it has been 5 years already since they hit the market.

It's just the iPhone, the formula has been optimized since iPhone 12. 12 is already a perfectly good smartphone, doesn't need anything new, and it is like that, the phone hasn't really changed since then. It was just a good damn phone on release, and every year a new base model also is.

[UnbornTao]

22 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Combination of corruption and just burn out.

You can't milk the same cow forever.

The Simpsons should have died decades ago. But those corrupt and creatively bankrupt executives want their $$$.

What if the original writers were to come back, and the culture of the former company were restored?

It's probably a pipe dream, but it makes me wonder whether it's just audience burnout and corruption.

For example, could current-day Bethesda make a great Elder Scrolls game, considering that most of the employees from the older titles no longer work there?

21 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Edited 23 hours ago by UnbornTao

[UnbornTao]

22 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

 

Nailed it.

21 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

This is quite ironic because every iphone lately has been juiced by marketers to death, exactly as Jobs described marketing teams flogging products with the equivalent of a 'new bottle shape' as a product.

Yeah, and even beyond those products, they haven't really innovated much. The Vision Pro is the only so-called original consumer hardware product the company has produced in decades. And so far, it hasn't been particularly successful or groundbreaking.

Edited 23 hours ago by UnbornTao

[UnbornTao]

14 hours ago, Girzo said:

Nah, Apple still rocks, M series chips are the best the mobile computing world has seen, no-one can catch up to this level of innovation and it has been 5 years already since they hit the market.

It's just the iPhone, the formula has been optimized since iPhone 12. 12 is already a perfectly good smartphone, doesn't need anything new, and it is like that, the phone hasn't really changed since then. It was just a good damn phone on release, and every year a new base model also is.

For sure, the ARM chips are excellent in certain use cases. The battery life, weight, and silent operation are all great. On the other hand, it's essentially the same product Steve presented back in 2008, just much improved (the Air model). For example, Apple's AI efforts - not just in innovating, but in having a decent AI assistant - have been quite poor.

Don't you think Jobs might have come up with something new or more exciting than just iterative changes to what's already available? Heck, they even dropped the Apple Car project.

There seems to be a certain sense of complacency or conformity that seeps into long-term creative endeavors, if you will. It's as if the original vision or "soul" of the product can get lost along the way. The dynamic is explained in the video Natasha shared above.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Don't you think Jobs might have come up with something new or more exciting than just iterative changes to what's already available? Heck, they even dropped the Apple Car project.

P-R-E-C-I-S-E-L-Y

[Natasha Tori Maru]

'Tonerheads' is a funny term Steve Jobs used in the clip I linked - might steal that term to use when companies turn into being run dead-souled marketing machines

 

[PenguinPablo]

15 hours ago, Girzo said:

Nah, Apple still rocks, M series chips are the best the mobile computing world has seen, no-one can catch up to this level of innovation and it has been 5 years already since they hit the market.

It's just the iPhone, the formula has been optimized since iPhone 12. 12 is already a perfectly good smartphone, doesn't need anything new, and it is like that, the phone hasn't really changed since then. It was just a good damn phone on release, and every year a new base model also is.

Yeah it's powerful but the amount of innovation especially relative to the price is so subtle that it does not warrant subsequent releases.

But you are essentially correct that there is basically not a more powerful and all around as good phone as Apple. 

LG was constantly tinkering with features when they had the V series but their marketing was shit so they went out of business. 

@Leo Gura

Steve Jobs did say without LSD there would be no Apple. 

 

Edited 22 hours ago by PenguinPablo

[Ramasta9]

Ahh these comments, we really do talk like we fully knew these people by parroting trivia-facts and presenting it like deep insight.

Funny how we always how everything about people on screens, sometimes more than they supposedly knew about themselves.
I guess the version of someone that comes through a camera and a few headlines must be far more accurate than the life they actually lived.

"Here’s a fact I skimmed somewhere, therefore I fully understand this person’s entire life and business journey."

It reduces a wildly complex human story down to two bullet points and a "crazy business" punchline.

People online love to feel like they're revealing hidden knowledge, even when they're just repeating surface-level information.

Modern humanity in a nutshell

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Ramasta9 Yeah but that isn't fun - conjecture and imagination are though!

Otherwise nothing would be said. 

A bunch of users reporting 'they don't know'. 'I don't know'. 'We can never know'