Basically, eternity lead to this moment right now, so where does awakening fit in

[Ima Freeman]

What really bogs my mind is how the whole endeavour of spirituality is to come to Truth, Awakening, God, Moksha,...

But how certain of an attainment is this, if in all eternity, life is where it is right now. Confused, suffering, frustrated? Ok some joy, some clarity too, but still so confused, suffering, frustrated.

In all eternity life is like it is right now.

So how about a state of omiscience, of freedom, of clarity, when all of eternity lead to ignorance, bondage and confusion? It feels like it needs limitations to even be something.

 

[Ishanga]

Awakening fits in by allowing You to absolutely realize that only this moment exists in reality, and that is all there ever is, reality is one big Moment, and via that realization, the depression from the past disappears as does the stress and anxiety of the future, as neither of these things really exist.. They only Exist in the Mind scape, Mind is past/memory and future/imagination orientated, this great feature allowed our Species to Survive and Dominate as it has, otherwise we would not have made it this long!

But we are not the Mind, so when all of this comes into Realization on the Experiential level, then all You can do is Laugh and Play this Game of Life!! Its a much more enjoyable ride than being Mind Identified and trapped in that loop of my past sucked and I'm scared of what is too come!!

[Hojo]

What are you asking?

[Ima Freeman]

On 14.11.2025 at 11:59 PM, Ishanga said:

Awakening fits in by allowing You to absolutely realize that only this moment exists in reality, and that is all there ever is, reality is one big Moment, and via that realization, the depression from the past disappears as does the stress and anxiety of the future, as neither of these things really exist.. They only Exist in the Mind scape, Mind is past/memory and future/imagination orientated, this great feature allowed our Species to Survive and Dominate as it has, otherwise we would not have made it this long!

But we are not the Mind, so when all of this comes into Realization on the Experiential level, then all You can do is Laugh and Play this Game of Life!! Its a much more enjoyable ride than being Mind Identified and trapped in that loop of my past sucked and I'm scared of what is too come!!

Definitely, time is an illusion.

I'm referring to spirituality, to reaching more holistic states of consciousness and, specifically how futile it seems.
In this context, playing along the game does no good.

If I play along, I would eat fastfood daily, bingwatching TV, Youtube, Netflix and TikTok, reading mainstream media, instead of doing yoga, watching out on my health, reading philosophy and contemplate,....

[Ima Freeman]

On 15.11.2025 at 3:57 AM, Hojo said:

What are you asking?

Opening a discussion

[zazen]

I went back into the formless, and God slapped me (itself) and said “what are you doing here, go back and play hide and seek - being and BE-coming, coming to be what already is - because Being longed to Be-long”

Maybe God is both lost and found within itself - eternally. As long as there is form, there will be limitation and the liberation from limitation.

But if the formless has no limitation to transcend - then surely forms role isn’t to transcend itself (it can’t) but only transform itself in seeking the transcendent.

Like that saying - before enlightenment chop wood carry water, after enlightenment chop wood carry water. Awakening isn’t about abandoning form but living in it from above.

[Breakingthewall]

On 14/11/2025 at 11:26 PM, Ima Freeman said:

But how certain of an attainment is this, if in all eternity, life is where it is right now. Confused, suffering, frustrated? 

Sardines, birds, or cats aren't frustrated and all that, so I guess in all eternity there will be many other non-frustrating possibilities.

On 14/11/2025 at 11:26 PM, Ima Freeman said:

What really bogs my mind is how the whole endeavour of spirituality is to come to Truth, Awakening, God, Moksha,...

If you are a human being with a certain energetic configuratin, you must make the movement of opening yourself to the absolute, because otherwise your life is madness and misery.

Enlightenment is not about knowing things; it's about being open to your ultimate nature. This openness implies understanding that death is just change, because being open to your total nature implies understanding that what you truly are is that total nature, and the human energetic configuration is a transient structure. 

[Ishanga]

2 hours ago, Ima Freeman said:

Definitely, time is an illusion.

I'm referring to spirituality, to reaching more holistic states of consciousness and, specifically how futile it seems.
In this context, playing along the game does no good.

If I play along, I would eat fastfood daily, bingwatching TV, Youtube, Netflix and TikTok, reading mainstream media, instead of doing yoga, watching out on my health, reading philosophy and contemplate,....

For sure effort and intent is needed.  What I meant by playing the game is that life is a sort of game, when You establish Your BEINGNESS, which is based allot on our present Moment Awareness and Intensity, then Beingness is established, then life becomes a game, and with that the need to bingwatch, fastfood, what is happening in the society and the drama games is lessened to a large degree...

[Hojo]

I saw it again last night its like the present moment is total destruction of self and we are riding the waves its creating. So to be scared that you will die stupid because you are already dead in the present moment.

[Ima Freeman]

3 hours ago, zazen said:

I went back into the formless, and God slapped me (itself) and said “what are you doing here, go back and play hide and seek - being and BE-coming, coming to be what already is - because Being longed to Be-long”

 

Great saying! You came up with it?

 

 

[Ima Freeman]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Sardines, birds, or cats aren't frustrated and all that, so I guess in all eternity there will be many other non-frustrating possibilities.

Cats definitely are frustrated sometimes.

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Ima Freeman said:

Cats definitely are frustrated sometimes.

 

 

Yes and any living being but in another sense than humans. 

[Ima Freeman]

47 minutes ago, Hojo said:

I saw it again last night its like the present moment is total destruction of self and we are riding the waves its creating. So to be scared that you will die stupid because you are already dead in the present moment.

Death is already here in a way.
The acquired mind is futile and will wane again.

And that's the whole point - it seems like awakening is happening over and over again, because sleep and ignorance will set in again and again.
It's like night and day.

[Hojo]

@Ima Freeman what i think we want to do is find it and hug it, basically ride eternal destruction as close as we can always focusing on it as our future. Never caring about what happens next as what happens next is always a void of nothing.

Edited yesterday at 05:38 PM by Hojo

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, Ima Freeman said:

Cats definitely are frustrated sometimes.

 

 

The human being is a phase shift in reality. A leap as absolute as the leap from the structures of reality governed by the laws of the cosmos like a star to the emergence of life, which is sustained by those laws but creates its own.

When the structural complexity of life reaches a critical level, reality needs to equalize. Just as a change in an electron gives rise to a photon to maintain the symmetry of the universe, the critical level of complexity in living structures gives rise to an absolute phase shift: the mind.

The human being is a biological hive being that supports a new structure of reality that transcends matter: the mind.  being human is not a game; it is a crucible of purification, a process of opening. A transition from the animal, closed by its genetics, to the unlimited living mind, a new way of existing of the reality.

[Ishanga]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The human being is a phase shift in reality. A leap as absolute as the leap from the structures of reality governed by the laws of the cosmos like a star to the emergence of life, which is sustained by those laws but creates its own.

When the structural complexity of life reaches a critical level, reality needs to equalize. Just as a change in an electron gives rise to a photon to maintain the symmetry of the universe, the critical level of complexity in living structures gives rise to an absolute phase shift: the mind.

The human being is a biological hive being that supports a new structure of reality that transcends matter: the mind.  being human is not a game; it is a crucible of purification, a process of opening. A transition from the animal, closed by its genetics, to the unlimited living mind, a new way of existing of the reality.

Yes, Being Human, if Your low on the Consciousness scale, not paying attention, then Life will produce tons of Suffering for You..  To be a Human means allot of complexity and complications can arise if Your sleep walking thru Life, this is basically why ppl are suffering so much when they live in the best places to live and have everything they need!

Why do celebs, rich ppl, so called successful ppl suffering anything at all?  Oh, they say they are just like the rest of Us but how so? Yes their Human, but they have everything that life has to offer, that we are all striving to have, success, money/freedom, recognition, creative outlets, they can produce/create and have ppl praise them for their creation, travel, fun times, etc... The rest of Us are slaves to the system, doing what we can every day/week to make a living, rest up on weekends to do it all again next week, repeat cycle over and over for decades then retire and worry about money and what to do, lol.. I don't see how the first group of ppl suffer at all but they are..

Its Unconsciousness, low Awareness of Reality, so being Human means, after survival is secured, to raise Your Consciousness to the highest level it can be, then live life, you'll see no suffering is possible for You then!!

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

don't see how the first group of ppl suffer at all but they are

Being a millionaire doesn't bring any real happiness; rather, it subtracts from it because it disconnects you from reality. It's another thing entirely if they appear happy. People put a lot of effort (unconsciously) into projecting images onto others to see themselves reflected in them and feel like they are that image. This is called narcissism, and if you're a millionaire, your narcissism bar skyrockets.

A woman from a Filipino village with five children who cooks for the whole neighborhood is much happier because she's connected, she's vibrating at the frequency of what's real.

For those of us born outside that frequency, there is only the path of openness. No other path, under any circumstances, works. We have to open ourselves to the whole, to the source. To truly do it. If not only misery and nihilism awaits ahead. 

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, Ima Freeman said:

And that's the whole point - it seems like awakening is happening over and over again, because sleep and ignorance will set in again and again.
It's like night and day.

Again and again implies a timeline. It is only possible within a space-time reality. Trying to understand reality from a linear framework doesn't work, just like trying to grasp infinity from a limited perspective. It only leads to creating aberrant mental schemas. 

You can do 2 things. One, open yourself to the totality. Two, try to understand this reality, this universe, as deep and clear as you can .

But what you can't do is trying to understand the absolute and the infinity. It's imposible. "Understanding" belongs to this specific reality/universe/dimensión, that's a possibility among infinite. 

What you can to understand in an absolute level is that any reality is and expressions of the absolute. But you are understanding it from this structure being open to the absolute. 

Edited yesterday at 10:58 PM by Breakingthewall

[Ishanga]

10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Being a millionaire doesn't bring any real happiness; rather, it subtracts from it because it disconnects you from reality. It's another thing entirely if they appear happy. People put a lot of effort (unconsciously) into projecting images onto others to see themselves reflected in them and feel like they are that image. This is called narcissism, and if you're a millionaire, your narcissism bar skyrockets.

A woman from a Filipino village with five children who cooks for the whole neighborhood is much happier because she's connected, she's vibrating at the frequency of what's real.

For those of us born outside that frequency, there is only the path of openness. No other path, under any circumstances, works. We have to open ourselves to the whole, to the source. To truly do it. If not only misery and nihilism awaits ahead. 

Yes but its not the money's fault or the successes fault or anything outside of the person or the situations fault, its the person's fault totally...

It is just money today makes ppl more crazy since they think they are free and that the money is where the happiness is, that feeling ends quickly when they realize they are still suffering in some ways, this should wake them up but they mask it via drugs, alcohol, sex, sky diving and other distractions, that in the end causes even more suffering...

The open ourselves to the whole, yes this is the key part to ending suffering, its really just a question of HOW!

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

is just money today makes ppl more crazy

Today and always. Being rich makes it easy to disconnect from reality.

2 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

The open ourselves to the whole, yes this is the key part to ending suffering, its really just a question of HOW!

Extremely absolutely super difficult. It's as if being human were, first, a set of chemical processes ordered by genetics that relentlessly propel you, and second, a dense structure of overlapping energy patterns, creating a kind of virtual reality from which escape is not easy.

It's as if a genius had created a labyrinth with traps, and you are that labyrinth; you are the energy structure formed by this reality that is trying to shift phases, to open up the structure and integrate it so that it functions without dense burdens.

Anyone who says it's easy, well, perhaps they don't know what they're talking about. Everything human is difficult and comes from pain.