The body is belongs to God

[James123]

Don't assume it belongs to you.

İf you do, Give it back.

And end suffering.

This is the purpose of all spirituality or religion or any belief that has something to with God.

This is the only way, give it back.

Rest is bs.

[TheSelf]

51 minutes ago, James123 said:

Don't assume it belongs to you.

İf you do, Give it back.

And end suffering.

This is the purpose of all spirituality or religion or any belief that has something to with God.

This is the only way, give it back.

Rest is bs.

If you hold onto your true self long enough, you'll see it's already in the hand of the supreme self, it was always the case, you just imagined that you were the doer! 

[James123]

6 hours ago, TheSelf said:

If you hold onto your true self long enough, you'll see it's already in the hand of the supreme self, it was always the case, you just imagined that you were the doer! 

How old are you?

How can you hold on your true self?

[TheSelf]

3 hours ago, James123 said:

How can you hold on your true self?

By removing (or reducing) the identification with what that's not you (the field of change) and abiding in what's left (ever-present consciousness). Self-enquiry.

Edited 10 hours ago by TheSelf

[Mellowmarsh]

12 hours ago, James123 said:

Don't assume it belongs to you.

İf you do, Give it back.

And end suffering.

This is the purpose of all spirituality or religion or any belief that has something to with God.

This is the only way, give it back.

Rest is bs.

 

“The highest truth cannot be put into words therefore the greatest teacher has nothing to say” Lao Tzu

 

Rest is bs.

 

 

 

 

[James123]

42 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

 

“The highest truth cannot be put into words therefore the greatest teacher has nothing to say” Lao Tzu

 

Rest is bs.

 

 

 

 

So, why Lao Tzu putted in these words? 😂 

Because, it is pointing out, as I said. 😂 

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

So, why Lao Tzu putted in these words? 😂 

Because, it is pointing out, as I said. 😂 

Because it's a pointing to the ineffable, it's still like trying to clean a blood stain using blood.

[James123]

3 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Because it's a pointing to the ineffable, it's still like trying to clean a blood stain using blood.

So, stop giving example of nothing to say. 😂 

Because even saying nothing to say is saying something. 😂 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

So, stop giving example of nothing to say. 😂 

Because even saying nothing to say is saying something. 😂 

 

More spiritual ego knobery. 

[Someone here]

15 hours ago, James123 said:

Don't assume it belongs to you.

İf you do, Give it back.

And end suffering.

This is the purpose of all spirituality or religion or any belief that has something to with God.

This is the only way, give it back.

Rest is bs.

Whatever but there are very naive contradictions here ..if the body doesn't belong to me but to god ..then it's already not mine and belongs to god ..but you suggest that I should surrender it to god which means It belongs to me and not to god presently ..which is why I have to surrender it to god .

But I see what you are trying to say anyways. Thanks brother .🙏 

P.s: rest is not bs ... because if you don't sleep for 3 days you are guaranteed to kill yourself or end up in insane asylum 😉

[James123]

20 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Whatever but there are very naive contradictions here ..if the body doesn't belong to me but to god ..then it's already not mine and belongs to god ..but you suggest that I should surrender it to god which means It belongs to me and not to god presently ..which is why I have to surrender it to god .

But I see what you are trying to say anyways. Thanks brother .🙏 

P.s: rest is not bs ... because if you don't sleep for 3 days you are guaranteed to kill yourself or end up in insane asylum 😉

My brother,

Body already take care of itself. With first breath of birth, etc...

we are just the mind chattering and the one wants more for the body, therefore brings more pollution or bad habits to body.

It doesn't need you to survive. 

It is way better without us. 

 

[James123]

26 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Whatever but there are very naive contradictions here ..if the body doesn't belong to me but to god ..then it's already not mine and belongs to god ..but you suggest that I should surrender it to god which means It belongs to me and not to god presently ..which is why I have to surrender it to god .

When you aware, what you are, you don't need to.

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, TheSelf said:

By removing (or reducing) the identification with what that's not you (the field of change) and abiding in what's left (ever-present consciousness). Self-enquiry.

To say that change is unreal and only consciousness is real is a serious mistake. It's a flawed formulation of spirituality, based on an essential dualism between the real and the illusory, and only leads to confusion and mental self-harm.

Edited 4 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[TheSelf]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

To say that change is unreal and only consciousness is real is a serious mistake. It's a flawed formulation of spirituality, based on an essential dualism between the real and the illusory, and only leads to confusion and mental self-harm.

Haven't said such a thing, but beyond all that changes there's reality ever shining, ever present, unchanging, still, beyond any movements of the mind, the world... and thats you! Your self! 

Anything you identify yourself with changes, cause that's Shakti, the field of moving energy, attachment to this causes suffering, attachment to the mind, body, feelings, emotions, materials etc.

But the self or Shiva doesn't change, it's Absolute, and always is, no matter what.

Realizing this in yourself is highest spirituality, yet it's so simple. The wisdom of the self.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by TheSelf

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

we are just the mind chattering and the one wants more for the body, therefore brings more pollution or bad habits to body.

It doesn't need you to survive. 

It is way better without us. 

Do you think the body feels exhausted and permanently traumatised by this rouge phantom imposter tagging along for the free ride?

[James123]

16 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Do you think the body feels exhausted and permanently traumatised by this rouge phantom imposter tagging along for the free ride?

Body feels tired yet traumatization belongs to ego 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, TheSelf said:

But the self or Shiva doesn't change, it's Absolute, and always is, no matter what.

agree. The essence of everything is always the same, but what that essence is is not consciousness; that's the mistake I see (just my opinion, sorry if I pointed too categorical).

The essence of reality is limitlessness; it is indescribable. It is not consciousness or the witness; it is the total source, the unfathomable abyss. Consciousness is relative; limitlessness is absolute. Consciousness is a possibility in the limitlessness, therefore consciousness is always, but it's not the absolute reality. 

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

agree. The essence of everything is always the same, but what that essence is is not consciousness; that's the mistake I see (just my opinion, sorry if I pointed too categorical).

The essence of reality is limitlessness; it is indescribable. It is not consciousness or the witness; it is the total source, the unfathomable abyss. Consciousness is relative; limitlessness is absolute. Consciousness is a possibility in the limitlessness, therefore consciousness is always, but it's not the absolute reality. 

This is correct, the Essence is Absolute, and Absolute has no limits!

But we here have a Body and Mind to deal with, Body is limited, it is an accumulation from the Earth, which is also limited, everything physical is limited and cyclical.. but the Body and Mind allow Experience and Expression to happen, this does not happen in Absolute realm, as there is no physicality and no way to have Experience and Expression there.,.

So even though our Essence is Absolute and unlimited, we "While" Embodied are limited in Body and Mind, the whole basic point of our Existence is too find out we are not the Body or Mind and be intouch with the Absolute as an everyday real Experience.. 

So Body is not God, it is Earth, and it will go back to the Earth when Your Body dies!

[TheSelf]

12 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

agree. The essence of everything is always the same, but what that essence is is not consciousness; that's the mistake I see (just my opinion, sorry if I pointed too categorical).

The essence of reality is limitlessness; it is indescribable. It is not consciousness or the witness; it is the total source, the unfathomable abyss. Consciousness is relative; limitlessness is absolute. Consciousness is a possibility in the limitlessness, therefore consciousness is always, but it's not the absolute reality. 

Just languages limits!  There's no conflict between our opinions regarding what 'that' is! 

You beautifuly call it 'Unfathomable abyss' 

I call it 'Supreme self'.

[Breakingthewall]

24 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

This is correct, the Essence is Absolute, and Absolute has no limits!

But we here have a Body and Mind to deal with, Body is limited, it is an accumulation from the Earth, which is also limited, everything physical is limited and cyclical.. but the Body and Mind allow Experience and Expression to happen, this does not happen in Absolute realm, as there is no physicality and no way to have Experience and Expression there.,.

So even though our Essence is Absolute and unlimited, we "While" Embodied are limited in Body and Mind, the whole basic point of our Existence is too find out we are not the Body or Mind and be intouch with the Absolute as an everyday real Experience.. 

So Body is not God, it is Earth, and it will go back to the Earth when Your Body dies!

Opening yourself to your absolute essence isn't about knowing or realizing something, as that would always be an egoic construct. Rather, it's about connecting with your essence, becoming one with the living flow of existence, and ceasing to be exiled in, let's say, the barren desert of the ego-mind.

It's essential to unlock the potential of the human spiritual dimension within us, because without it, life is madness, escapism, and constant anxiety. The movement that equalizes the ego-mind with the living flow is essential to prevent life from becoming hellish; each person must find their own way to do it. It's a movement of energetic openess, very difficult to explain without falling into spiritual abstractions that communicate nothing