Enlightenment is much rarer than most expect

[Someone here]

@Carl-Richard with that being said ..i love you man. Don't read too much into what I'm saying 😂. I'm playing you . You are one of the most intelligent and knowledgeable people here . But tone it down a bit .you are messing with Leo about genetics and twins and god know what else lol ..seriously?

[Carl-Richard]

23 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then, where is the mistake? I was just talking about the term consciousness. I hope it doesn't make you angry . You are so strict. How to make you happy? I'm getting anxious.

I'm able to make "everything is real" and "everything is unreal" commensurate. When I see two people disagreeing about those things, I see it as manufactured disagreement. I'm happy if people don't manufacture disagreement.

Same with somebody defining consciousness one way and then somebody else comes and says "well actually, consciousness is not that, but consciousness is this, because x y z a b c". You can define words in many different ways. You choosing a different definition is absolutely completely arbitrary. It doesn't need logical argument. You're presenting your choice of definition as a substantial disagreement when it's not. It's manufactured disagreement.

 

27 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Carl-Richard and Breakingthewall ..do a fucking face reveal . I've been communicating with two people for 7 years now on daily basis and I have no idea how they look like. Its very uncomfortable. Why staying anonymous forever ? I don't get it .what are you afraid of .whatever .

My face is on here (and it looks like this 👺).

[Lyubov]

On what grounds or standard would you measure one’s “enlightenment?” By what rule do you judge? What do you define as “enlightenment?” 
 

in my opinion, unspoken truth can never fit into such a narrow perspective on spirituality. Enlightenment, I don’t even use this word anymore. 

[Lyubov]

On 11/6/2025 at 9:19 AM, VeganAwake said:

I have only noticed maybe 7 total in the last 6 or 7 years.

Did someone say 6..7 ??? Ohhhhh 67676767676

[Someone here]

@Carl-Richard lol . No seriously brother .stop being a bitch (😂) and reveal yourself. 

What on earth is that thing in your pfp anyways?  Lol

Mine is Muhammad's unicorn when he travelled to the edge of the universe and met God as the Islamic story goes .

 

[Breakingthewall]

46 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I'm able to make "everything is real" and "everything is unreal" commensurate. When I see two people disagreeing about those things, I see it as manufactured disagreement. I'm happy if people don't manufacture disagreement.

Same with somebody defining consciousness one way and then somebody else comes and says "well actually, consciousness is not that, but consciousness is this, because x y z a b c". You can define words in many different ways. You choosing a different definition is absolutely completely arbitrary. It doesn't need logical argument. You're presenting your choice of definition as a substantial disagreement when it's not. It's manufactured disagreement.

 

My face is on here (and it looks like this 👺).

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

 

All that talk about consciousness, illusion, dreams, etc., is completely irrelevant to the matter of enlightenment. What I was doing was making a logical argument about why saying that reality is consciousness isn't accurate, but any definition falls within the learned conceptual framework.

Enlightenment is the energetic opening that allows the revelation of what reality is. This isn't definable from the human conceptual framework, but it can be alluded to negatively: the absence of limits. But this doesn't define the nature of reality because it isn't definable, it can't be contrasted with an opposite.

Another attempt at defining it would be: when there are no borders or barriers that create differentiation and the substance of reality is revealed. It's exactly the same as what you're experiencing now, but without the energetic barriers that create a defined experience. If the barriers dissolve, the whole manifests. It's exactly this now, but without barriers. Then its depth manifest as unfathomable, and it's vitality as total. It's not an understanding, it's an action or erasing the borders. Anyone can do it in any moment, but it's very difficult, because the energetic barriers are made of fear, attachment, control. This is the dynamic of this experience, and dissolving the barriers is a difficult art. 

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, cetus said:

Anyone else notice as far as enlightenment goes the one thing for sure is that everyone has a different perspective of it?

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

 

Enlightenment is only one and it's absolutely simple and obvious: it's erasing the limits and being without any single limit, then the absolute nature of reality is revealed. Anyone can do it. Those histories about dreams, self that's is real or unreal, gods, love, belong to the limited conceptual frame. Another step is needed, the step of the total dissolution. Id like to be able to do that at will, but it's very difficult, the energetic obstacles that we put due our nature makes it a real challenge, but in some moments it happens. Enlightenment is an action, a step, a movement, a dissolution, not a knowledge or a realization. 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Whatever .it seems silly to go down that road with this conversation so I will step outside .

Carl-Richard and Breakingthewall ..do a fucking face reveal . I've been communicating with two people for 7 years now on daily basis and I have no idea how they look like. Its very uncomfortable. Why staying anonymous forever ? I don't get it .what are you afraid of .whatever .

 

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

 

I don't want to put my picture, but I can put the carl Richard picture. Given his name is Carl-Richard, it is absolutely obvious and inevitable that this is his picture. 

[Someone here]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

I don't want to put my picture

Yes but why ? Go take a selfie and post it on your pfp. Why not ? What's the big deal ?it's mind-boggling. At least I can get a faint sense of who the hell I'm talking to.

[Someone here]

10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I don't want to put my picture, but I can put the carl Richard picture. Given his name is Carl-Richard, it is absolutely obvious and inevitable that this is his picture. 

Hahahaha sir Carl Richard. 

[Carl-Richard]

5 hours ago, Someone here said:

@Carl-Richard lol . No seriously brother .stop being a bitch (😂) and reveal yourself.

No seriously, my face is on here.

 

5 hours ago, Someone here said:

What on earth is that thing in your pfp anyways?  Lol

A tree, on earth.

[Breakingthewall]

Anyway, about enlightenment. Here they say, enlightenment is realizing that the self isn't real, or that you are God, or that you are infinite love. Those are just realizations of the ego. The ego knows that the self isn't real. Good for that ego. But enlightenment is being the direct substance of unfiltered reality, being one with the dance of existence and letting yourself be permeated by its vitality. Be open, without limits in heart and mind, flowing without resistance. Without ego. Breaking down the separation between observer and observed. Then being pierced by the ultimate nature of what you are, of reality, and to be one with it. Sat chit ananda. That which is, shining in its glory. The absolute limitless in its abysmal opening. There is nothing else to know, it's the fundamental, the being that is and that is everything. The fact of being is always everything. But of course, just one second after that I was open to it, I'm closed to it. Then a empty feeling appears. I know that the absolute emptiness alive blah blah. But who knows that, is the ego. If the ego is here, the door is closed. 

[Carl-Richard]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

All that talk about consciousness, illusion, dreams, etc., is completely irrelevant to the matter of enlightenment. What I was doing was making a logical argument about why saying that reality is consciousness isn't accurate, but any definition falls within the learned conceptual framework.

There are like 12 definitions of consciousness I can list and trying to argue that one is better than the others is just ridiculous. Same with definitions of enlightenment. You define things for convenience. What you do with the definitions later is what is interesting.

Edited 13 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

There are like 12 definitions of consciousness I can list and trying to argue that one is better than the others is just ridiculous. Same with definitions of enlightenment. You define things for convenience. What you do with the definitions later is what is interesting.

Read that I wrote above, let's see if you can understand. It's quite clear. 

[Carl-Richard]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Read that I wrote above, let's see if you can understand. It's quite clear. 

You distinguished between interpretations of experience vs the experience itself in a long-winded poetic "stream of consciousness" (see what I did there?).

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

You distinguished between interpretations of experience vs the experience itself in a long-winded poetic "stream of consciousness" (see what I did there?).

 I'm trying to express something else, but maybe that's not the way. 

[Carl-Richard]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

 I'm trying to express something else, but maybe that's not the way. 

The ego interprets, makes frameworks, tries to understand Enlightenment. But Enlightenment is not that. Did you try to communicate something else?

[VeganAwake]

9 hours ago, Lyubov said:

On what grounds or standard would you measure one’s “enlightenment?” By what rule do you judge? What do you define as “enlightenment?” 
 

in my opinion, unspoken truth can never fit into such a narrow perspective on spirituality. Enlightenment, I don’t even use this word anymore. 

Either the self illusion is clearly seen through/recognized to be completely unreal, or it is not. There isn’t scale to it or an in-between!

Enlightenment is when identification as the self illusion comes to an abrupt stop. There is no longer an identification as this or that! When its just emptiness appearing as everything/fullness.

Its the end of imaginary stories, beliefs and concepts, and illuminates the empty nature of apparent reality!

❤️ 

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

The ego interprets, makes frameworks, tries to understand Enlightenment. But Enlightenment is not that. Did you try to communicate something else?

8 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

 

 What I tried to communicate is not what you have understood. But it's interesting that you said "enlightenment is not that" by default. 

[Jodistrict]

What I see on forums dominated by men is mostly intellectual head tripping.  The mistaken notion that awakening is an intellectual achievement that makes you smarter than the rest of the class.  I don’t see much discussion of suffering or heart.  Trying to come up with a definition is just what you would expect from the head.