Atheist vs Christian vs Spiritual Thinker

[Leo Gura]

It's crucial to realize that scholarship is not truth-seeking nor real philosophy.

Academia trains scholars, not truth-seekers.

John Vervaeke is a great example of how even the best acadrmic is still severely limited in understanding.

Vervaeke is as good as academic philosophy gets but it is nowhere close to enough for what I teach. You cannot understand reality that way.

Truth/Consciousness/God/Love is completely beyond all that. Nothing human will do.

Edited yesterday at 05:41 AM by Leo Gura

[Hojo]

4 hours ago, Alexop said:

The most annoying thing about those pseudo-thinkers is that they gaslight you by calling you uneducated enough to understand their deep shit. If a youngster cannot grasp what you say there it is probably shit, or it is too advanced for 99% of people so little to no effect in helping society.

Anytime someone says you need to read a book to understand them they are bs and you shouldnt listen. A good way to sort through bs is to understand this. You dont need to read a single book to understand the universe.

Old people will gaslight and be like people used to thirst for knowlege and read every new book. Thats because they were bored as fuck and have 0 imagination.

Edited yesterday at 05:44 AM by Hojo

[Alexop]

2 hours ago, Hojo said:

Anytime someone says you need to read a book to understand them they are bs and you shouldnt listen. A good way to sort through bs is to understand this. You dont need to read a single book to understand the universe.

Old people will gaslight and be like people used to thirst for knowlege and read every new book. Thats because they were bored as fuck and have 0 imagination.

People form different times used to feed their egos in different ways. Reading books is a good way to feed your ego. Meditation and spirituality is ego's another favourite. Academia and presenting studies, another.

It is amazing to me that most people who do these things wake up with more ego not less, especially if they get successful. Tell to a vipassana rat that they are not enlightened or even if they are, their epistemology is shit because they only how to stop thinking and not how to think. Tell to the coolest academic professor that they are full of shit. Tell to a person who read 3000 books that their behaviour is the same as before they read those books. 

 

[zurew]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

John Vervaeke is a great example of how even the best acadrmic is still severely limited in understanding.

He isn't just an academic, he is much more than that.

You are framing this whole thing as if a good chunk of Vervaeke's work wouldn't go completely against most of academia's group think.

You know that he is the dude who introduced multiple ways of knowing and that philosophy is much more than just conceptualizing about things, right?

[Salvijus]

15 hours ago, Hojo said:

Every time Alex is asked a question about why he thinks something he either quotes someone else or pedantically argues basic human knowledge almost intentionally to not say what he thinks personally. Like a robot. He cant debate these things because hes pretending to not be human while debating aspects of being a human. This tells me hes not even a philosopher.

It's the ability to comprehend and appreciate different complex ideas while staying impartial at the same time that makes someone a great thinker. Alex shines with that quality in my view. He immediately understands everyone's position perfectly and gives appropriate responses that make them question their position in a deeper way that they haven't done before. That's a profound thing to do and requires deep intelligence. It doesn't matter if he chooses to find references for those ideas, it's his personal choice. Really there are no new ideas. Everything profound has already been said thousands of years ago. 

Edited yesterday at 12:39 PM by Salvijus

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, zurew said:

He isn't just an academic, he is much more than that.

You are framing this whole thing as if a good chunk of Vervaeke's work wouldn't go completely against most of academia's group think.

You know that he is the dude who introduced multiple ways of knowing and that philosophy is much more than just conceptualizing about things, right?

It's still not good enough. He will never realize God or the things I talk about.

You can tell how mired he is in academic philosophical scientific norms and ways.

It is still not truth-seeking! He is too deep inside the academic system to deconstruct it.

He is exactly my point about how serious this problem is. As you say he is exceptional as far as academics go. But it is still not enough to reach what I am trying to teach you guys.

I am trying to lead you to an entirely new domain of consciousness. Beyond anything humans understand or speak about.

Edited 22 hours ago by Leo Gura

[zurew]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I am trying to lead you to an entirely new domain of consciousness. Beyond anything humans understand or speak about.

You are also gesturing towards a new and different type of cognition that can process info and reason in completely alien ways , right?

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, zurew said:

You are also gesturing towards a new and different type of cognition that can process info and reason in completely alien ways , right?

Yes

Trans-human cognition, divinely inspired.