The implications of suicide

[Agrande]

Since so much of our life is just maintaining our own survival, it’s a surprise for many that people go 180 degrees in the opposite direction and choose to end it on their terms.

In a way, it takes a lot of bravery and courage, but in high pressure survival situations, it looks like the better option. What if suicide is just an attempt at survival in another form? Is suicide truthful? Legit i’m ready to die. 
It is also said that many had flashes of enlightenment when deep in this mire of suicidality. if the answer isn’t physical death then what is the real answer? Wouldn’t physical death lead to death of ego too? 

my outer circumstances don’t exactly let me pursue the spiritual path to the max the way I want to. I’d rather be dead then to live as this fuck up also in a fucked up deluded environment around deluded people

i’m so sick of the BS in me and around me that i’d rather take a leap into the unknown and kill myself. Dissolving all this BS nauseating noise, shit and impurity 

Edited November 4 by Agrande

[Hojo]

Imagine if you kill yourself you still are alive and you will feel the emotions you do on a regular basis but you are nothing while doing it. Think about all your fluctuations in emotions and the quality of the emotions you have on a daily basis. Do you want to lock yourself into the emotions you are experiencing for eternity?

Do you want to be sick of bullshit for eternity? You will dissolve but you will still be there sick of bullshit and struggling. Heal yourself and maintain high emotions and then if you still want to do it go for it. But to do it out of frustration will be seen as a terrible terrible idea imo. You will just experience the same emotions over and over again 10 fold.

Imagine your skull bounces back your own emotions to yourself so you can experience them. Now take the skull of self reflection away and your emotions expand into infinite and you cant stop it. 

Its obviously not noble or courageous its trying to end early. Is it noble or courageous to end a meditation early? To end work early cause you are sick of it? To stop a plank cause you are tired? No its not at all. Its noble and courageous to endure, you have no idea what will happen when you do. Tommorow all your frustrations and hatred could vanish for no fking reason.

Life is like a seed. Right now you are the plant struggling to get out of the seed. Then the plant comes out of the seed it explodes and sees a new dimension of life it didnt see before that was always there. You arent stuck you are gaining strength to burst out of your seed and getting frustrated. If the seed ends its life cause its frustrated then its a complete waste and not noble at all.

Would you think a king is noble cause he killed himself cause he was under too much pressure? No you would say thats not king. You need to endure to be king.

There are outside plants that are actuvely sabotaging your growth into a plant because you will take more of their nutrients. Its not their decisions its Gods and God says you live and get nutrients.

If you dont like where you are leave! God will take care of you. You not liking where you are is God telling you to leave. If you are too scared to leave then keep breaking the rules till you get kicked out. Now you have no option.

All you have to do in life is get up and move. Everything else is not your problem.

Edited November 5 by Hojo

[Vercingetorix]

@Agrande It's tempting to believe there is an "easy" way out, but is there?

I believe there isn't. I believe that even if you commit suicide, your energy/frequency continues to exist, and it will lead you to a "new dream" where you will have to overcome the same problems you face here. 

The only way forward is through your problems. The fastest way is to face things and resolve your shit. That's the purpose of Life.

[Raze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6NAC6ajkH8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbQr70rfwQg

[TheCloud]

Suicide is extreme, and so far as I know, irrevocable.  What less extreme options have you tried?  Have you given away your possessions and gone on a pilgrimage?  Have you tried fasting meditation?  Have you tried it again?  Have you tried moving somewhere else;  if you're in the city, to the country;  if you're in the country, to the city;  if you're in the east, to the west, or vice versa?  Have you tried psychedelics?  Have you tried them under spiritual guidance?  Have you looked for a different job?  Have you openly violated oppressive social norms?

My point isn't that you should do all or any of these things.  My point is;  think about how your fixation is specifically on suicide, when reason would dictate that there are invariably more options to be considered if you are even marginally healthy in body.  If you just wait a while, you're going to die anyway.  Why insist on receiving early what is already guaranteed?

[Yeah Yeah]

I believe in anti-natalisim and humanity was a mistake 

[Ishanga]

On 11/4/2025 at 9:35 AM, Agrande said:

Since so much of our life is just maintaining our own survival, it’s a surprise for many that people go 180 degrees in the opposite direction and choose to end it on their terms.

In a way, it takes a lot of bravery and courage, but in high pressure survival situations, it looks like the better option. What if suicide is just an attempt at survival in another form? Is suicide truthful? Legit i’m ready to die. 
It is also said that many had flashes of enlightenment when deep in this mire of suicidality. if the answer isn’t physical death then what is the real answer? Wouldn’t physical death lead to death of ego too? 

my outer circumstances don’t exactly let me pursue the spiritual path to the max the way I want to. I’d rather be dead then to live as this fuck up also in a fucked up deluded environment around deluded people

i’m so sick of the BS in me and around me that i’d rather take a leap into the unknown and kill myself. Dissolving all this BS nauseating noise, shit and impurity 

My nephew died by Suicide in 2006, from what we understand of it, its not courage or bravery, they go into a trance like state (generalizing of course), and perform the act.. My nephew had drug and alcohol problems, and went into emergency before with suicidal Ideation problems, but they did nothing for him, so I guess eventually the intensity of the suffer was just too much.. We have a very strong survival mechanism within Us, it takes allot of suffering to override that, over time the mental suffering gets too much and ppl perform the act..

The implication are the surviving family suffers immensely, I can't imagine what my sister went thru never mind the rest of Us..as well, with all the stories of what it is like after physical death I wouldn't risk it, you could be suffering much worse on the other side, or maybe the opposite, depends on what you buy into..

With all the research into psychedelic mdma/ketamine use in emergency situations, and with practices and counselling availability one can bring themselves out of it, step by step approach is best I think,  find a reason to live each day or moment, do some practices to help with unstable emotions, learn how this human mechanism works, I know its hard though...