Ramana Maharshi solipsism vs Leo Gura solipsism

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Yimpa said:

Increase its own consciousness and go beyond Infinite Mind into INFINITE GODS!

While not conflicting with Solpsism 😀 

[theoneandnone]

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Think of it as it's not your mind it's Infinite Mind.  Infinite Mind has nothing else to do but dream stuff constantly. What else would it do.  So it creates elaborate dreams with infinite depth.  Alone means AL-One. ALONE.

So basically I dream forever because there’s nothing else to do? I don’t want to forever be conscious. It’s like being signed up for something you didn’t ask to be opt in for. It makes me feels nauseous and trapped. Then you put in quantum immorality etc my god. 

Edited 22 hours ago by theoneandnone

[Yimpa]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

While not conflicting with Solpsism 😀 

Dammit, I cat stop thinking about solipsism meow that you mention it 

[theoneandnone]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

While not conflicting with Solpsism 😀 

Hey if you can imagine them like we’re doing imaging each other now what difference does it makes huh

[Carl-Richard]

22 minutes ago, theoneandnone said:

You’re just mad that Ramana did teach solipsism and not your washed done “we are all one” spirituality. I’m not trying to be too brash but I’ve seen you quote his work before on non duality and other conscious beings existing but that is not what Ramana taught. 

If you can't distinguish relative from absolute, I can't help you. I can help you, but you have to at least become familar with the concept.

[Yimpa]

3 minutes ago, theoneandnone said:

I don’t want to forever be conscious

Pray is the antidote 🙏

Or scientific Models  

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[theoneandnone]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

If you can't distinguish relative from absolute, I can't help you. I can help you, but you have to at least become familar with the concept.

Sorry for  being disrespectful I’m willing to keep an open mind if you’re willing to discuss with me. 

Edited 22 hours ago by theoneandnone

[Carl-Richard]

2 minutes ago, theoneandnone said:

Sorry for  being disrespectful I’m willing to keep an open mind if you’re willing to discuss with me. 

Do you distinguish between the relative and the absolute? Do you know about this distinction?

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, theoneandnone said:

Hey if you can imagine them like we’re doing imaging each other now what difference does it makes huh

Precisely..imagination literally is reality. The collapse of this duality is perhaps the most beautiful of them all if you can collapse it and also undo it on the fly.  That is what being lucid in the dream is.

[Yimpa]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

That is what being lucid in the dream is.

And fluid

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

And fluid

Indeed.

[Inliytened1]

@theoneandnone But to be fair you would lose your sanity completely if other isn't real on a regular basis.  It's only when you want to go meta that you know it's imaginary and that you are God.  But those times can save you days of suffering when times get tough.  Thats what the liberation of enlightenment brings.

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[James123]

3 hours ago, theoneandnone said:

I think this is a very interesting thing to discuss because I know Leo mentions him occasionally and seems to be inspired by ramana’s work. Let’s see how they differ in their solipsistic approach to reality. 
 

Ramana:

Eka Jīva Vāda literally means “only one individual soul (jīva) exists.”

This view proposes that:

There is only one experiencer — “you,” the sole conscious being.

The entire universe, including all other people, time, space, and events, appear only within your own consciousness.

Others are not separate conscious entities — they’re dream-figures in your consciousness, just like in a lucid dream.

Waking life is essentially a dream-like projection of the single consciousness (you).

So, it’s basically non-duality viewed through the solipsistic lens of the dreamer — everything happens in your own mind.

But hold on hold on Ramana didn’t stop there! 

From this ultimate perspective:

There is no jīva, not even one.

There is no world, no creation, no projection.

There is only pure, self-luminous awareness, changeless and eternal.

All distinctions between “creator,” “creation,” “individual,” and “liberation” are illusions appearing within ignorance.

 

Leo:

You are absolutely alone as God.

There is literally only your consciousness in all of existence. To him, this is not a metaphor or philosophy — it’s a literal, experiential fact he claims to have verified through deep mystical states (especially using 5-MeO-DMT and other psychedelics).

So, when he says “You are God,” he doesn’t mean that in the New Age “we are all connected” sense. He means:

Only you exist.

Everyone else — family, friends, me, even “Leo” himself — are imaginary constructs within your field of consciousness.

There is no “shared world,” no “other minds,” and no “objective reality.”

When you “wake up” fully, you realize you’ve always been alone, dreaming all this.

Leo calls this realization “The Lonely God realization.”

It’s where awakening stops being blissful unity and becomes an unbearable recognition of total aloneness — that you, the One Consciousness, invented everything out of infinite love and infinite loneliness.

 

Ramana Maharsi means not as mind, as Truth.

[Inliytened1]

2 hours ago, theoneandnone said:

So basically I dream forever because there’s nothing else to do? I don’t want to forever be conscious. It’s like being signed up for something you didn’t ask to be opt in for. It makes me feels nauseous and trapped. Then you put in quantum immorality etc my god. 

The alternative is nothing.  Which you also have lived.  Forever.  So now there is existence.  It has to be some way.  And this is it.

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[Breakingthewall]

If you are having a specific experience now, it means you had another, different specific experience, and that you will have yet another. Where are those experiences?

If you are now God creating this dream but are not aware of it, where is the awareness of it? Hidden? Perhaps you are also now a Chinese worker, and the awareness of that is also hidden.

[Malkom]

and what will happen when he fully knows himself, will he die of boredom?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@theoneandnone

Honestly? You are trying to understand solipsism with the mind. As a concept. An idea.

None of these words or discussions are IT. The truth. 

You have to directly experience whatever it is.

Only then will you stop asking questions.

Until then you are having thoughts and imagining solipsism.

My advice is to get outside in nature away from all technology for an hour a day. Leave the phone at home. Try to remain grounded in the body. These thoughts are only serving to distract you from direct experience of what you are trying to make sense of. If you can - go for a walk or a drive. Forward motion suppresses the stress and fear response. So your mind will relax some.

I say this with care & affection from a random internet nobody 

[TruthFreedom]

Why am I as God, dreaming up a bunch of retards on a stupid forum? 

If I am God, and I am dreaming this up, then it's a pretty fucking retarded dream.

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[Breakingthewall]

13 minutes ago, TruthFreedom said:

Why am I as God, dreaming up a bunch of retards on a stupid forum? 

If I am God, and I am dreaming this up, then it's a pretty fucking retarded dream.

Sure, the existence of an infinite entity that makes decisions is a logical impossibility. An entity that makes decisions is finite by definition.