Vaping vs Plugging (Rectal) - practical and experiential differences

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, - Adam - said:

These are pre-made 5meo vape pens I'm assuming?

No. You can make your own vape carts. It is very easy. Just combine chem + vape juice and add it to a cart using a syringe.

Edited 23 hours ago by Leo Gura

[- Adam -]

@Leo Gura Neutral vape juice exists? Sorry I really know nothing about this.

You buy the juice, add the powder, fill a syringe, and fill the cart using a needle?

What's the philosophy for how much chem you put in? How many trips worth? 

[Leo Gura]

19 minutes ago, - Adam - said:

@Leo Gura Neutral vape juice exists?

Of course.

Google "flavorless vape juice".

19 minutes ago, - Adam - said:

You buy the juice, add the powder, fill a syringe, and fill the cart using a needle?

Yes. Google "how to make vape carts".

19 minutes ago, - Adam - said:

What's the philosophy for how much chem you put in? How many trips worth? 

The more you put in the more potent it will be. Up to you. And each chem has a max of how much of it will dissolve in the juice.

[ExploringReality]

@Leo Gura thanks bro. I have the 5meo, now I'll learn how to build a flavorless vape juice cart and I'm all set.

For vaping 5meo, how much would you suggest for me, what to expect and how I can measure the dose so I have certainty on the amount I'm taking in.

Edited 22 hours ago by ExploringReality

[ExploringReality]

Leo, besides your entire body of work. This thread and your last answer is the most practical, physically and metaphysically of reaching God

[- Adam -]

Lol @ExploringReality! best of luck

Thank you Leo

Edited 22 hours ago by - Adam -

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, ExploringReality said:

For vaping 5meo, how much would you suggest for me, what to expect and how I can measure the dose so I have certainty on the amount I'm taking in.

When vaping there no such thing as a precise measure of dose. Because it all depends on how well you manage to vaporize it and how deeply you inhale it and how long you hold it.

Vaping is never precise. Vaping is inaccurate and sloppy. That's why plugging is better. Plugging gives you the most accurate dose with no fuss.

Vaping in an art. You learn it intuitively through trial and error.

[ExploringReality]

33 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

When vaping there no such thing as a precise measure of dose. Because it all depends on how well you manage to vaporize it and how deeply you inhale it and how long you hold it.

Vaping is never precise. Vaping is inaccurate and sloppy. That's why plugging is better. Plugging gives you the most accurate dose with no fuss.

Vaping in an art. You learn it intuitively through trial and error.

Okay, I've got leather lungs because I do use cannabis LOL so I'm sure that would help. 

So in this case with vaping I can measure the dose based off the experience correct? I'm looking for a full breakthrough, I'll build up to it based off taking in small inhales and deepen the exhale as I get more experience with it.

In the future I will do the plugging method, because I don't have any qualms about that and I'm sure it would be very pleasurable as well.

Interesting as well in the past you told me that you're not into anal sex with girls, but you do prefer plugging 😁

Edited 20 hours ago by ExploringReality

[Yimpa]

44 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

Okay, I've got leather lungs because I do use cannabis LOL so I'm sure that would help. 

I took 7 hits back-to-back of a high THC strain, legally, when I was 21 years old.  I wanted to understand Truth THAT bad. It was the most horrifying and magnificent experience of my life, and I wouldn’t have it any other way. That shit made me who I am today. And I didn’t give up on my work and still contemplate reality to this day.

I’m a certified hardcore freak, and I freakin’ love it.

I guess I took my love for DBZ way too seriously, too. My 7 Dragon Balls gave me exactly what I wished for.

Edited 19 hours ago by Yimpa

[ExploringReality]

9 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

I took 7 hits back-to-back of a high THC strain, legally, when I was 21 years old.  I wanted to understand Truth THAT bad. It was the most horrifying and magnificent experience of my life, and I wouldn’t have it any other way. That shit made me who I am today. And I didn’t give up on my work and still contemplate reality to this day.

I’m a certified hardcore freak, and I freakin’ love it.

I guess I took my love for DBZ way too seriously, too. My 7 Dragon Balls gave me exactly what I wished for.

Damn!! That sounds incredible. You literally have to brace yourself during the trip. I once took a 1000 milligrams of an edible weed brownie at 10:00 am. The rest was history 🤣 

[Davino]

9 hours ago, - Adam - said:

These are pre-made 5meo vape pens I'm assuming? Or maybe a reusable vaporizer with 5meo juice refills? You don't make the juice yourself do you?

You can buy them but I wouldn't do it. Doing them is easy once you know. We can talk the details one day. 

[Davino]

9 hours ago, ExploringReality said:

@Leo Gura thanks bro. I have the 5meo, now I'll learn how to build a flavorless vape juice cart and I'm all set.

For vaping 5meo, how much would you suggest for me, what to expect and how I can measure the dose so I have certainty on the amount I'm taking in.

https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/5meo_dmt/5meo_dmt_article2_vape_pens.shtml

I would make two, a 1:8 for light and a 1:4 

Knowing the exact amount of 5meo you're taking with vaping is a bit irrelevant, because you're not chasing a quantitative dose (even 15mg of 5meo may be very different depending on the day you take them), but actually a qualitative state you can reach progressively by taking a hit at a time.

It's more common to overshoot with plugging than with vaping. How do you know if the quantitative amount that day will be qualitatively stronger? All these dangers are mitigated with a vape juice. It really is very intuitive.

As the biggest potential danger I say top 1 is hitting it casually, don't have it around, neither easily accessible. You could harm yourself. With plugging it's not casual, you know what you're doing, it forces you to have premeditated plan.

[Leo Gura]

This is the healthiest vape juice to use:

https://theterpenestore.com/products/liquify-pro

Cheap vape juices are probably not good for your lungs.

Edited 13 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Girzo]

On 28.10.2025 at 6:38 PM, Oppositionless said:

Psychonaut wiki tends not to have dosage information for plugging... is it , say, generally 10-15% more than instranasal?

Don't listen to Leo, his ass has no enzymes. It is more, PsychonautWiki is right, but by how much depends on the substance. For DPT it was way more. 150 mg plugged versus maybe 60 mg intranasal to get the same level of experience. Most substances won't differ by that much.

[Girzo]

@Leo Gura The most dangerous thing is vaping salts. It's the products of decomposition of some salts that supposedly cause the infamous "popcorn lung" disease.

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Girzo said:

@Leo Gura The most dangerous thing is vaping salts. It's the products of decomposition of some salts that supposedly cause the infamous "popcorn lung" disease.

Good point