A little epistemology. Does perception exist outside of Consciousness?

[Malkom]

What is Perception, what is Consciousness? As everyone usually imagines it, it's Space. Perception, or let's say consciousness, is as if it were a boundless, empty space. But the catch is that Space doesn't exist. Do you know why? Measuring the distance from one object is a matter of turning your head, feeling it with your vestibular system, the movement of light, and your mind calculates (precisely calculates it at the information level) it as Space. In reality, you see only Interaction and time. And time is precisely Energy. There is only Energy, and One Energy that dances with Itself. There is no such thing as Empty Space or Filled Space. There is only this Energy. And this energy is Life, Being, Consciousness, and it is neither nothing nor something, it has no definition by definition, it is simply AT ALL, absolutely completely, it is not even NOTHING and not more insignificant than nothing itself, and not something else. And yes, this is YOU.

Even when Leo talks about Emptiness and Truth, he's a hostage to this conceptual expression. There's a paradox here (precisely a paradox, not a contradiction): he's actually telling the truth, and at the same time, he's not, simply not at all. But he can't do otherwise, and none of us can either. We all seem to hit the nail on the head and still miss the mark, and it's unnecessary. This is how Being itself manifests.

Sorry, Leo, if I didn't mean to offend or hurt you. Thank you for your understanding.

Does this mean everything is untrue and you're imagining it? NO! Everything is real, hahaha. You can consider it an illusion, or you can consider it reality, but only YOU (not the ego, not solipsism) assign it what you assign (sorry for the tautology) and just BE. Feel with your heart, I had to say this banal spiritual nonsense, but I don't know how else to say it.

Non-duality = Duality. And there is no difference.

Edited Sunday at 02:28 PM by Malkom

[Aaron p]

I think "perception" is the word we choose to explain what everything is around us. But there's some hidden assumptions with this word. For example you might be cool to say that your perceiving the room your in right now...what the subconscious takes that to mean is that the world is real and your just sitting in it receiving it through your 5 senses. Seeing light, feeling your butt on a chair, tasting the remnants of your morning coffee... 

It's difficult to talk about this cuz there's limited words but, the notion of perception is something that is a subconscious idea that can itself be perceived. I don't have a deep realisation of this yet, but I know that tackling the idea of perception is likely the cornerstone of something. It's kinda like a bandaid that you slap onto everything to explain how it exists. 

I think a cool exercise that I actually just tried right now is looking at something that's in your field and "perceiving" it then simultaneously perceive your notions of what the perception of the object is and how it's happening. Holding them side by side at the same time...could be powerful

Edited Monday at 02:43 PM by Aaron p

[Hojo]

When I awaken I went 1 cm out of my skull and saw with the same perception but there was literally nothing happening and you cant think. You have to see it to experience the nothing that is happening its shocking how nothing it is. Its like you lose the ability to shoot emotions out.

I could see perfectly and I could see perfectly that nothing was happening. Its like you cant even make a decision. Theres nothing to do. Everything 'to do' has to do with the robots ( subjective experiences )that God created. When you leave the body theres literally no Idea of anything to do with any of the robots.

Consciousness remains you cant except but theres nothing to do inside of it. Perception remained the same nothing changed or moved.

Its like you realize that your body and room and house are literally toys in a toy box and you become the mentality what a toy has.

Perception is what I experience consciousness is what I am.

Edited Monday at 03:03 PM by Hojo

[Natasha Tori Maru]

How can you perceive without 'something' there to be aware or witness it? 

[Princess Arabia]

On 10/26/2025 at 10:26 AM, Malkom said:

And yes, this is YOU.

Ever stop to think and wonder and ponder why no one needs to be constantly told that their hand is their hand or their face is their face or their teeth are theirs or their eyes belong to them. Why do you think we can market, wrap up in wrapping paper, make threads about, make YT videos about and sell this particular concept so much and stress the you as in 'this is YOU' concept. Ever stop to wonder that.

I myself wonder why I sometimes stress the 'no you' concept, so I'm not just picking on your stressors. Difference with mine, and why it's not as popular and hated is because there's nothing in it for the 'you' and cannot be wrapped up and marketed and nothing to gain or for the 'you' to feel better about.

Edited Monday at 08:29 PM by Princess Arabia

[Malkom]

11 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Вы когда-нибудь задумывались, почему никому не нужно постоянно напоминать, что его рука — это его рука, его лицо — это его лицо, его зубы — это его зубы, а его глаза — это его глаза? Почему, по-вашему, мы можем рекламировать, заворачивать в упаковочную бумагу, создавать вокруг этого целые индустрии, снимать видео на YouTube и так активно продавать эту конкретную концепцию, делая акцент на том, что «это ты»? Вы когда-нибудь задумывались об этом?

Я и сам задаюсь вопросом, почему я иногда делаю акцент на концепции «без тебя», а не просто указываю на твои источники стресса. Разница с моим подходом и причина, по которой он не так популярен и не так сильно вызывает ненависть, заключаются в том, что в нём нет ничего для «тебя», его нельзя упаковать и продать, и «тебе» от этого ничего не будет.

There's definitely something to this...

[Dodo]

I've read and contemplated a lot, the conclusion i get is that definitely coffee is real, anything else might be an illusion, but this much I know. I drink latte, therefore I am.

Edited 8 hours ago by Dodo