How do you define Ego Death and Enlightenment?

[Dabidoe]

Abstract concepts in words will only do so much justice.

I find a lot of what people describe as 'ego death' is faulty if not outright wrong. My intuition is ego will always be tied to your body (you have biological needs, ego is an operating system for attaining those.) Would 'ego death' would be something along the lines of the ability to detach and 'transcend' the ego - but it no longer becomes the default 'operating system'? While you can get an intellectual understanding of the concept through teachings/words what we define as an ego is difficult to self diagnose without personal inquiry. Does the ego "die"? 

Enlightenment seems to be a "spirituality trap" for a lot of people is they seem to be performing a characture of enlightenment to satisfy their ego - they want the outside perception of being enlightened. Would a test for enlightenment be would you rather be enlightened and have noone know it or unenlightened but everyone think it?

Seeing as these are both kind of individualist journeys my take is I would rather have a personal discovery of what transcending to a higher state is than to try to follow someone else's concepts which seem to take you further from the real 'enlightenment.' That said I know there's a 'general framework' that describes it but to really 'embody them' you have to define it for yourself.

Defining these abstract spirituality concepts within yourself seems kind of like pushups - you can learn how to do it from others but you are the one that has to do the work.

Edited 14 hours ago by Dabidoe

[James123]

None of experience, feelings, thinking etc... belongs to you. 

[Hojo]

Its like your aura turns off and the aura of the universe comes into you. Your aura is how it feels to be you. When it turns off that stops the feeling of you dissapears and the feeling of unconditional love comes into you. When this happens you clearly see you arent the body you are the field of flickering light or the void behind it.

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[Dodo]

31 minutes ago, James123 said:

None of experience, feelings, thinking etc... belongs to you. 

Can we elaborate further? Because all experience,  feeling and thinking is being known by me. I'm not saying what that me is, but its undeniable evidence of direct experience that I know experience, all sorts of different experiences are unified by me, that which knows them. Even the sense of self is known by me (in deeper contemplation). 

Whether it belongs, its a strange word, it is definitely known by me. And again, maybe you will project that by Me i mean someone, but I'm not talking here about what that Me is, just that it is. 

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[James123]

20 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Can we elaborate further? Because all experience,  feeling and thinking is being known by me. I'm not saying what that me is, but its undeniable evidence of direct experience that I know experience, all sorts of different experiences are unified by me, that which knows them. Even the sense of self is known by me (in deeper contemplation). 

Whether it belongs, its a strange word, it is definitely known by me. And again, maybe you will project that by Me i mean someone, but I'm not talking here about what that Me is, just that it is. 

there is a You that all feelings, emotions, thoughts, universe, body arises and falls within. Yet, You are none of them.

That's why You can't find our point out to You.

If you can, find it.

[Dodo]

13 minutes ago, James123 said:

there is a You that all feelings, emotions, thoughts, universe, body arises and falls within. Yet, You are none of them.

That's why You can't find our point out to You.

If you can, find it.

Hahaaa good one. If I find it, its not me. Classic neti neti. You think I havent been under self inquiry for 10yrs+ aha 😅 

But I am still confused, why do we reject the self, just because you can't point to it? In my experience the self that knows IS, WHETHER i can point to it or not. 

I know what im supposed to be saying , no self yada yada. But im just being honest, its more like an invisible self than no self. 

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[James123]

6 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Hahaaa good one. If I find it, its not me. Classic neti neti. You think I havent been under self inquiry for 10yrs+ aha 😅 

But I am still confused, why do we reject the self, just because you can't point to it? In my experience the self that knows IS, WHETHER i can point to it or not. 

I know what im supposed to be saying , no self yada yada. But im just being honest, its more like an invisible self than no self. 

I am not saying no self, or rejecting the self. All i am saying, self, no self, atheism, religion, infinite, god, life, your experience, anything you can imagine or not imagine, etc... arises and falls within You, yet You are untouched. 

[Dodo]

Just now, James123 said:

I am not saying no self, or rejecting the self. All i am saying, self, no self, atheism, religion, infinite, god, life, your experience, anything you can imagine or not imagine, etc... arises and falls within You, yet You are untouched. 

Ok but you are preaching to the choir 😀 Or I guess you are explaining why the movie doesn't belong to the screen, even tho it is enabled by it? 

[Dabidoe]

You're both the movie and the screen?

[VeganAwake]

The entire "sense of self"/"self construct" that desperately wants to attain enlightenment = Ego

It's everything you would write down, if someone told you to describe yourself using 1000 words.....it's the all encompassing I character.

Ego death ends up being the realization that it wasn't real to begin with. It was just never actually there from the start......but it certainly seemed to be!

The energy given to this illusory character gets reduced and eventually fades completely (ego death). But is realized, nothing actually happened at all.....it was an illusion falling away!

❤️ 

[Ishanga]

Ego embraces Your Identity, Opinions/Beliefs, Personality, and allows a Sense of Separation (this is important for Spirituality to exist!)..

The Death of Ego means Your Identity is gone, and so is the sense of Separation, Your Experience of that of Completeness and Connection to Everything, but Your Intellect is still intact, Your Personality is there, but You choose when to use it, it doesn't Use You!

Enlightenment is the highest Potential for a Human Being to Exist in Experiencially, its all of the above, but the Energies within are super Intense all the time, Your very Present Moment Aware, Peace and Bliss are always there in the background and can be as intense as You want it too be.. Your relatively Healthy, Compassion and Love (including others as Yourself) are natural to You, You dislike only the Actions of the person or thing, not the person or thing itself!

You play this Human Game, deal with all situations with openness and clarity, your not a know it all, but are curious about a bunch of things...

This is the last Incarnation, no more body/mind complexes to go into again, you merge with Absolute, no individuality anymore!

[James123]

7 hours ago, Dodo said:

Ok but you are preaching to the choir 😀 Or I guess you are explaining why the movie doesn't belong to the screen, even tho it is enabled by it? 

 

7 hours ago, Dabidoe said:

You're both the movie and the screen?

You are the screen, and movie happens trough You. Therefore, movie arises and falls within You. Yet, movie is out of control. 

[Yimpa]

You will know once it hits you, that’s for sure.