This world is a trap

[Princess Arabia]

15 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Even the guy you're agreeing

I quoted a specific part and responded to that. Doesn't mean he's a guy I'm agreeing with on everything, that's your assumption. I'm also through with going back and forth with you, that can get tiring and useless too. Doesn't matter either way, what is, is.

[Dodo]

7 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I quoted a specific part and responded to that. Doesn't mean he's a guy I'm agreeing with on everything, that's your assumption. I'm also through with going back and forth with you, that can get tiring and useless too. Doesn't matter either way, what is, is.

Yes you quote the part which praises you as right and ignore the part which shows you as wrong. Classic feeding of the ego. 

If you will talk absolute truth, you cant be running away like that when challenged. Anyway, enjoy your circlejerk/echo chamber 

14 minutes ago, vibv said:

Why is it that every thread escalates into site-long discussions who has the more accurate description of consciousness? Must be the nature of this place, huh?

@Dodo No escape is one thing. I talk about unforeseen consequences. We're riding this place like an accelerating rollercoaster into..into what?

Im not on about description, Princess was denying the reality of consciousness and I was in discussion with her about the difference between concepts (aka dream/illusion) and something which is beyond the dream, namely consciousness.  To me she is God denying. 

This leads to the next, I dont think its for any one single mind to know where the rollercoaster is going. What we can do is to be here as the knowing and to allow experience to be - its already happening. Noticing the knowing takes the sting out of bad situations, because your identification has shifted. 

Lets also mention that one ant cant know where the colony is headed, thats on whole other level. 

[vibv]

18 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Lets also mention that one ant cant know where the colony is headed, thats on whole other level. 

You can see it if you just open your eyes. We're on a path into more greed, addiction and overproduction while so many people still hunger. What have we created? Can't we just finally face it?

At least we can steer into some other direction. Is this where we want to be and is this the road we want to continue going down?

Where's our humanity?

Edited 22 hours ago by vibv

[Dodo]

8 minutes ago, vibv said:

You can see it if you just open your eyes. We're on a path into more greed, addiction and overproduction while so many people still hunger. What have we created? Can't we just finally face it?

At least we can steer into some other direction. Is this where we want to be and is this the road we want to continue going down?

Where's our humanity?

i believe this stems from the belief in materialism, as in, that matter is the building block of reality. People enmass ignore consciousness,  all I can do is remind people consciousness is all that is real.

The stories we tell are secondary, and we cant change some things even if we wanted to. What we can do is surrender and accept what is, and act from there. 

Im sure what you point out is true to some extent but there is also other stories happening which are not that. There are many humble and/or amazing people out there and groups of people doing good in the world also. 

[vibv]

@Dodo Let's take some personal responsibility by questioning our very own style of life. 

• Do we really need to eat stuff with so much sugar in it, which is addictive?
• Can we reduce waste by buying products that use less of it?
• Can I use less ressources like water, food and energy?
• etc.

I think it makes a real difference.

There may come a time when this will be very relevant. I see it as preparation.

Edited 21 hours ago by vibv

[Mellowmarsh]

14 hours ago, Dodo said:

 

Even the guy you're agreeing is saying you cant escape consciousness. Another way of saying, Its the fundamental nature of reality. He again makes some dramatic story out of it "no escape" as if its aa bad thing. Its not a bad thing, consciousness is boundless and everything is made of it. This is in line with each of ours direct experiential evidence. 

 

You’re making a lot of assumptions here. Ask for clarification first, instead of just presenting your own representative model of what you think others are talking about.

Firstly , the guy is actually a girl. And I never implied infinite consciousness as a bad. I said there’s no escaping it, which is a valid point. Sometimes the ego is misinterpreted as being something that must be permanently eliminated for awakening to be fully realised, but that’s just a false belief. The ego is very much in the drivers seat when it comes to self-realisation. The ego is both present before and after any apparent awakening. 
So there’s zero escape from this sense of separation, or individual (I)

It’s not bad or good, it’s absolutely neither. Because the absolute reality is completely mute and indifferent to human opinion, owing absolutely nothing in the way of our endless questions that are never answered for one very good reason. 

 

There’s no formless without form. The formless is form. This consciousness cannot escape the sense of separation in favour of unconsciousness because the sense of self and the body are identical twins, conjoined infinitely for eternity, appearing as every conceivable shape and form. Popping in and out of existence forever like the inbreath and outbreath.

Like sleeping then awaking…then sleeping…there’s no break in this seamless symmetry, certainly no escape.

 

 

 

 

[Agrande]

Good message but easier said than done tbh. If i were to live like how you described, I’d need a fundamental shift in perception/consciousness. Which then would shift my worldview and how I view pleasures and addictions yada yada

i’ve been doing something similar by doing contemplation work on the true nature of this world/reality Buddhist style. Got pretty useful results.

I am a lot more detached from sex, porn, unhealthy eating and other vices. It’s more cerebral to do contemplation work but once u do it enough, the realised truths sink deep into your mind and naturally, you become averse to degenerate activities which waste away one’s life and health

Edited 2 hours ago by Agrande