Trying Out a 4-Substituted Tryptamine & More

[Nemra]

I don't want to pick a 4-sub and have a less than a profound experience and wait for a few days for tolerance and also cross-tolerance.

I will be in the Netherlands soon for two weeks, and I can only get one chance every few months to find out.

Does it matter which one I choose?

Edited 19 hours ago by Nemra

[Schizophonia]

12 minutes ago, Nemra said:

I don't want to pick a 4-sub and have a weak experience and wait for a few days for the tolerance and also cross-tolerance.

I will be in the Netherlands soon for two weeks, and I can only get one chance every few months to find out.

Does it matter which one I choose?

Take 4 HO MET.

40mg on empty stomach

[Nemra]

@Schizophonia, is there a specific reason for using that one?

Why not other 4-HOs or 4-AcOs?

Edited Thursday at 05:39 PM by Nemra

[LambdaDelta]

39 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Schizophonia, is there a specific reason for using that one?

Why not other 4-HOs or 4-AcOs?

Cause only 4-HO-MET, 4-HO-MiPT, and 4-AcO-DMT are worthwhile and you won't get the 4-AcO. In any case doing a 4-sub when you already have N,N-DMT is fairly redundant, if it's such a rare opportunity get some 5-MeO-DMT, an LSD analogue, or a dissociative.

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

@Schizophonia, is there a specific reason for using that one?

Why not other 4-HOs or 4-AcOs?

It's very easily available and offers powerful psychedelic experiences, close to psilocybin.
It doesn't go as far as LSD or 5 MeO DMT, but at the same time, it's safer and easier to think on it; for me it's the "perfect" psychedelic.
I need to try a small dose soon.

Edited Thursday at 06:30 PM by Schizophonia

[Schizophonia]

17 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

5-MeO-DMT, an LSD analogue, or a dissociative.

Plus is not better, and dissociative suck a bit, not very different from being drunk.

 

Edited Thursday at 06:24 PM by Schizophonia

[Nemra]

25 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

Cause only 4-HO-MET, 4-HO-MiPT, and 4-AcO-DMT are worthwhile and you won't get the 4-AcO.

Ok, I will consider that.

25 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

In any case doing a 4-sub when you already have N,N-DMT is fairly redundant

Well, I want to explore.

N,N-DMT will always be available to me as long as I can get the materials for the extraction in my country.

4-subs' duration is longer, as I have read.

25 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

if it's such a rare opportunity get some 5-MeO-DMT, an LSD analogue, or a dissociative.

I will also try a few 5-MeOs (definitely 5-MeO-DMT) and LSD.

The problem of 4-subs is the tolerance.

[Nemra]

31 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

It doesn't go as far as LSD or 5 MeO DMT, but at the same time, it's safer and easier to think on it; for me it's the "perfect" psychedelic.

I don't know, but it seems like I can contemplate on fairly high doses of N,N-DMT.

Edited Thursday at 06:49 PM by Nemra

[Nemra]

1 hour ago, LambdaDelta said:

you won't get the 4-AcO.

@LambdaDelta, I know one vendor who sells 4-AcO-DMT in Europe.

The vendor seems legit.

It takes more time to get psychedelics from them. The person I contacted told me himself that I must plan my stay 2-3 weeks ahead to avoid missing them.

Although, I see that it's not legal even in the Netherlands.

Edited Thursday at 07:32 PM by Nemra

[Leo Gura]

Of course it matters. But you won't know which is best for you until you try.

4-AcO-DMT should be top of your list to try. It is the most potent of them.

[LambdaDelta]

7 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@LambdaDelta, I know one vendor who sells 4-AcO-DMT in Europe.

The vendor seems legit.

It takes more time to get psychedelics from them. The person I contacted told me himself that I must plan my stay 2-3 weeks ahead to avoid missing them.

Although, I see that it's not legal even in the Netherlands.

Naturally, you can get just about anything with some effort. It is as you see, illegal and takes a while. Not ideal for a tourist but you can make it happen. Know that they carry Chinese 4-AcO which is not as good as the Canadian. 

[Girzo]

@Nemra You can also look for 4-PrO-DMT, It's the same as 4-AcO-DMT and better. Better because it's legal in a lot of places and it's the same molecular weight as psilocybin so in theory 1 mg of 4-PrO-DMT is a great reference point for 1 mg of psilocybin. A perfect compound if you want to experimentally get a feel of how much psilocybin is in your shrooms.

[Nemra]

@Girzo, I was about to ask about that chemical.

It seems that that chemical is not known to many people.

What's your experience with it?

Edited yesterday at 01:07 PM by Nemra

[Girzo]

@Nemra It's the same, I would personally take the 4-PrO variant. The only difference is 4-PrO-DMT is very dark in color and smelly. I recommend consuming it in a pill.

[Nemra]

48 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

4-AcO-DMT should be top of your list to try. It is the most potent of them.

@Leo Gura, yes, it has been on my list to try.

I would try everyone of them if they had little or no tolerance.

Edited Thursday at 08:23 PM by Nemra

[Nemra]

11 minutes ago, Girzo said:

I recommend consuming it in a pill.

@Girzo, you mean fill the chemical into an empty capsule and consume it?

Edited Thursday at 08:27 PM by Nemra

[Girzo]

@Nemra Yeah, put it into a capsule after measuring the amount.

[Nemra]

@Girzo, is there a lot of difference between consuming 4-PO-DMT and mushrooms or truffles besides the inconvenience of digestion?

I have already tried 15g Psilocybe tampanensis "truffles".

Also, what kind of reagent do you use to test 4-PrO-DMT?

Edited Thursday at 09:16 PM by Nemra

[Girzo]

@Nemra You don't test 4-PrO-DMT. Impossible to mistake it for another drug if you have bought powder from a reliable vendor. Very, very dark, very smelly. If you have cash to spare you can send it for laboratory testing, but reagents are useless. They are to check if some dark net vendor hasn't sold you some other drug mislabeled. 

For me, there's no difference. Effects on the stomach are similar whether it's shrooms or synthetic. It's just serotonin in your intestines doing its thing. 

[Leo Gura]

The MPTs and MIPTs are pretty good.

4-HO-MPT

4-HO-MIPT

4-Aco-MPT

4-AcO-MIPT

All worth trying.

Edited Thursday at 10:59 PM by Leo Gura