Sadhguru on Dr k

[Elliott]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

So let me get this straight: you used this weird standard (fiinding an enlightened person saying that the teacher helped them) to claim Sadhguru is a conman. When pressed on it, not being able to find it for any teacher, you claim all teachers are conmen. Ok.

No, I don't consider the others conmen, I haven't seen them lead people to believe they can enlighten people.

I said I think I can find someone enlightened by Spira, you don't think i can? Do you want me to? It might take some work, I'm not in the 'Spira community', barely know it.

How about Peter Ralston, he has a protégé Brendan, and didn't Leo even study under him? Do you consider his protégé Brendan enlightened or him contributing to Leo's enlightenment?

Jean Klein taught Francis Lucille, Francis taught Spira.

Again, it's not my position saying these are enlightening masters, it's purely yours. Are you working some psychological experiment on me? It's okay if you are, but I'm pretty much done here.

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

 

 

So it's a wish + "claim" + paywall for "strongest teachings" now? And the paywall has to be larger than a book now? Ok, Mr. Ad Hoc. First show me where Sadhguru "claims" to enlighten people, don't give me a quote where he says he "wishes" to enlighten people.

The quote I posted said 'it is my blessing that this should happen to you'. I have no problem with his "wish".

You're moving goalposts now, you yourself said he leads people to enlightenment, even if sadguhuru doesn't explicitly say it, people are led to believe it, like you do.

Now, you could say people believe the others will lead them to enlightenment too, but I don't notice them puting their 'deepest' secrets behind paywalls.

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Until then, here is another quote from Spira:

He wishes you to become enlightened, and he also doesn't deny being able to take you all the way.

 

What's worse: taking 4000$ for a retreat where you allegedly give the same teachings as your free teachings or taking 3500$ for stronger teachings?

Both are great, neither are bad, what's bad is leading people to misbelieve he can enlighten you while puting his deep stuff behind a paywall.

It's not some complicated position, you disagree, that's fine.

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Both Rupert Spira and Sadhguru offer hardship scholarships for reduced price, and Sadhguru also does rural outreach programs (in third world countries) where many are offered free.

 

Not true, that's just two of your ad hoc arguments. You will find more.

It's not ad hoc, there are other conmen like sadhguru but he's the topic of discussion.

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As far as I'm aware, the "esoteric version" I've been talking about, the one that is potentially destabilizing and dangerous, is not even behind a paywall. It's behind a wall of Sadhguru personally deciding to give it to you.

I wasn't meaning what you consider esoteric. You previously said Leo gives an esoteric view of people like Sadguhuru but you believe that's wrong to do, that just brute force meditation get's you to enlightenment. I meant what others and Leo consider as esoteric. Do you think most people believe enlightenment is just daily meditation, or do most people believe there's some esoteric method? I was referring to the latter, what I believe is the common idea.

Edited 4 hours ago by Elliott

[theoneandnone]

I’m really surprised this topic out of all people sadhguru blew up…..