Sadhguru on Dr k

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Elliott said:

No

Do you disagree with the Sadhguru fans in this thread that repeatedly say Sadhgurus free public teachings lack depth?

You seem to just keep looking past what I say my reservation is with Sadhguru. Spira puts his enlightenment teachings out up front for free, Sadhguru hides his supposed enlightenment teachings behind a paywall: you don't see a difference between Spira and Sadhguru in this regard?

I have no problem with spiritual teachers making money.

He hides it because those methods (not teachings) can be harmful to those using it without proper guidance, he give out basic stuff, non enlightenment stuff for free and a little fee (reasons for this shared before) because they help with maintaining and healthy lifestyle and Peaceful/Blissful experience, this is not enlightenment, Enlightenment means Your done for as an Individual..

My advice to You is to ignore Sadhguru, You have a blind spot concerning him for sure, just ignore him and move on...

[Elliott]

9 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

He hides it because those methods (not teachings) can be harmful to those using it without proper guidance, he give out basic stuff, non enlightenment stuff for free and a little fee (reasons for this shared before) because they help with maintaining and healthy lifestyle and Peaceful/Blissful experience, this is not enlightenment, Enlightenment means Your done for as an Individual..

That's great, and if you show me an example of an enlightened person from his course I will apologize, Sadhguru claims he is enlightened.

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My advice to You is to ignore Sadhguru, You have a blind spot concerning him for sure, just ignore him and move on...

I actually like his public teachings, but since I've learned more about him personally I can barely stand him or listening to him.

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[Ishanga]

12 minutes ago, Elliott said:

That's great, and if you show me an example of an enlightened person from his course I will apologize, Sadhguru claims he is enlightened.

I actually like his public teachings, but since I've learned more about him personally I can barely stand him or listening to him.

Like I said he does not personally claim enlightenment, only that he knows the origin to the ultimate for a Human Being,, and he doesn't claim to make one enlightened or that is what he wants for ppl that do his methods or join his ashrams, he says he needs ppl to stay here on this earth to make it better, as the moment of Enlightenment and the moment of physical death is at the same moment, he only claims to allow You to have your Free Will back...

 

[Elliott]

3 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Like I said he does not personally claim enlightenment, only that he knows the origin to the ultimate for a Human Being,, and he doesn't claim to make one enlightened or that is what he wants for ppl that do his methods or join his ashrams, he says he needs ppl to stay here on this earth to make it better, as the moment of Enlightenment and the moment of physical death is at the same moment, he only claims to allow You to have your Free Will back...

 

"Isha Foundation

"Sadhguru's Enlightenment in His Own Words"

https://isha.sadhguru.org/en/wisdom/article/sadhguru-enlightenment-experience

"It is my wish and my blessing this must happen to you. Whether you climb Mount Everest or not, whether you become the richest man on this planet or not, your experience of life on this planet should be pleasant. You must live blissfully and go. This much should happen to every human being. Everyone deserves it and everyone is capable of it."

"But for the first time I did not know what is me and what is not me. What was me was spread all over the place. I thought this madness lasted for 5 to 10 minutes but when I came back to my normal way of being, four-and-a-half hours had passed. I was sitting right there, fully conscious, eyes open. I sat there at around 3:00 in the afternoon. It was 7:30 in the evening when I came out of it. For the first time in my adult life, tears were flowing to a point where my shirt was completely wet. I was someone who had never allowed a single teardrop to come out of my eyes. But now suddenly, tears were flowing to a point where my shirt became wet."

 

 

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[UnbornTao]

22 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

@Socrates You actually know a thing or two, liar.

@Socrates That was a joke, by the way (since you're Socrates.) Should have added an emoticon. 

[Hojo]

@Salvijus

he says you can manifest whatever you want. Without doing anything. Besides thinking and feeling it.

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[Salvijus]

3 hours ago, Hojo said:

@Salvijus

he says you can manifest whatever you want. Without doing anything. Besides thinking and feeling it.

He's saying that the intensity of your thought will determine if it will become a reality (11:20). And he says what blocks the flow of creative energy are ego based doubts and calculations whereas in a state of faith that egoic influence is not there therefore the energy can flow freely (9:30). However The Law of giving and receiving still plays a very important role here. Sadhguru hints at it by saying at 15:17 that if your want your body, mind, emotion and energy align itself to the source energy where all creative energy comes from, then realize that pleasentness within and all around you is what you most wish to see. It basically means that to align yourself with what you truly want is no different than becoming a servent to the Whole. And that desire to be of service to the Whole unavoidably puts you in a process of giving and receiving. And in fact it's only when you're willing to give everything away that you lose all ego, and it is then that the flow of receiving becomes infinite thus giving you the power to create like God creates. 

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[Hojo]

@Salvijus He says that joy /pleasentness equates to doing what you want. It has nothing to do with other people spirituality has nothing to do with other people. He said nothing about giving or receiving or giving everything away. These are all added by you.

The story he tells has 0 other people in it and the man in the story is manifesting what he wishes by wishing for it. He didn't exchange anything to receive food or be murdered by ghosts.

Hes saying you are brainwashed/traumatized  into staggering your thought and just keep a straight path on what you want and it will happen. It dosent matter what you do or give you can sit there and it will happen.

Hes saying brainwash yourself back into thinking this is what you want and you will gain the reigns of God back. Right now we are thinking we are not in control of everything in order to become God you must assume all control back by acting like you are creating reality. When you act like it you get it back.

If you align back then reality becomes your servant.

0 laws of energy exchange in this story. Moving around helps as you can say im doing this thing for this thing but its not required at all.

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[Salvijus]

7 minutes ago, Hojo said:

He says that joy /pleasentness equates to doing what you want.

And that what you truly want if observed carefully, is pleasentness within you and around you (13:35). That second part is a clever way of saying to be of service to the Whole. 

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[Hojo]

@Salvijus you are the pleasentness around you.

[Salvijus]

12 minutes ago, Hojo said:

He said nothing about giving or receiving or giving everything away. These are all added by you.

It requires extrapolation to make a connection between these ideas. These ideas of being a god like creator, being egoless (or being in faith in sadhguru's words) and the law of giving and receiving are inseparable. Sadhguru hints at all of them in the video. But it requires careful attention to connect the dots. It's a complicated topic. I've tried my best in explaining how it is all connected in the post above. That was the best I could do. If it didn't land then I give up and we will just have to agree to disagree. 

Take care 🙏

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[Salvijus]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@Salvijus you are the pleasentness around you.

No disagreements there. 

[Hojo]

So many hints. A hint can be anything. If you want to beleive that you can . I can just as easily see the direct video and say there are no hints. You are making something complicated thats not because someone told you a rule that you beleive. To be fact of life. He said in another video your entire life is a sacrifice. You just say my exchange is me having to live here. One more question. When he said at the beggining of the video that you can manifest anything by just sitting there was he lying?

43 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

It requires extrapolation to make a connection between these ideas. These ideas of being a god like creator, being egoless (or being in faith in sadhguru's words) and the law of giving and receiving are inseparable. Sadhguru hints at all of them in the video. But it requires careful attention to connect the dots. It's a complicated topic. I've tried my best in explaining how it is all connected in the post above. That was the best I could do. If it didn't land then I give up and we will just have to agree to disagree. 

Take care 🙏

 

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[Salvijus]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

You are making something complicated thats not because someone told you a rule that you beleive.

Okay 🙏

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[Carl-Richard]

8 hours ago, Elliott said:

You seem to just keep looking past what I say my reservation is with Sadhguru. Spira puts his enlightenment teachings out up front for free, Sadhguru hides his supposed deep teachings behind a paywall: you don't see a difference between Spira and Sadhguru in this regard?

I think it's that you're changing the goalpost and throwing spaghetti at the wall because you initially also had a problem with his environmentalism, but anyway:

I think Sadhguru's free teachings go just as deep as Spira's teachings. I'm curious why you think that is not the case.

And ok, so deepest teachings behind a paywall makes you a conman. Is Leo Gura a conman?:

On 5.7.2023 at 6:17 PM, Leo Gura said:

My teachings about alien stuff will be confined to my course.

Nothing about my work has fundamentally changed. All the very radical stuff I will simply lock behind a paywall for those who want it.

What I post on YT is designed for mass consumption and normies. What I post on my blog and elsewhere is designed to be more personal and more radical -- the stuff I shouldn't say on YT.

 

Again, keeping some teachings hidden and some public might be for some other reason than simply draining people's wallets.

[Elliott]

4 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

I think it's that you're changing the goalpost and throwing spaghetti at the wall because you initially also had a problem with his environmentalism, but anyway:

I was never against his environmentalism, I'm an environmentalist. You keep superimposing some assumption you have about my position instead of just reading what I've said in black and white.

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I think Sadhguru's free teachings go just as deep as Spira's teachings. I'm curious why you think that is not the case.

Again you're superimposing an assumption onto what I've said. I didn't say his public teachings were weaker than Spira.

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And ok, so deepest teachings behind a paywall makes you a conman. Is Leo Gura a conman?:

No. 'Enlightenment'/"curing this mental illness" behind a paywall with NO proof.

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Again, keeping some teachings hidden and some public might be for some other reason than simply draining people's wallets.

As I've already agreed on this point, absolutely.

 

I keep wondering if you're mixing up other people's comments, but I see no one arguing what you're arguing against. You're being super defensive of Sadghuru rather than having a discussion.

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[Elliott]

I would be his biggest fan if he did his kriya stuff for money and planted trees, my issue is his enlightenment/healing claims in combination with that.

 

 

And for position background, so you don'tmake assumptions; I don't think he's enlightened or gets people to enlightenment, I think he's misleading, "mentally ill" as he calls it.

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[Hojo]

@Salvijus please stop with the cringe hands together. People that get into arguments and then end with a take care or hands together are THE most cringe people on the planet. We are having a disagreement dont pretentiously do shit like that its not spiritual and its dishonest.

Spirituality 101 how to tell if a spiritual person is gaslighting you

Answer : take care 🙏

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[Carl-Richard]

7 minutes ago, Elliott said:

No. 'Enlightenment' behind a paywall with NO proof.

Lol, up until now you seemed to present each part of that statement separately as if it was ad hoc, but I guess now it's more clear.

You're looking for very specific proof, of people giving testimonies that they were "enlightened" using Sadhguru's techniques. This is hard because people are of course discouraged to call themselves enlightened (it can be seen as pompous) and I simply wouldn't expect an enlightened person to frame their enlightenment as mainly a product of a course and make a video giving a testimony of the course and suggesting that the course works (and you must buy it too!), it's just weird and odd as it's a much more personal journey than that.

I simply rely on gradual proof: his techniques are similar to other techniques that work, and you have scientific studies showing effects in the right direction where the ultimate outcome is consistent with enlightenment, and of course, "I read energy". That he wants to put some of that behind a paywall is again reasonable. If you want to put extra skepticism because you lack this very specific kind of proof that most probably doesn't exist, that's your prerogative.

[Carl-Richard]

48 minutes ago, Elliott said:

And for position background, so you don'tmake assumptions; I don't think he's enlightened or gets people to enlightenment, I think he's misleading, "mentally ill" as he calls it.

Is there anybody you think is enlightened? Do you think enlightenment is possible at all?