Should I talk philosophically with my family members?

[Someone here]

My intentions are good. I'm not trying to sound smarter than them or superior than them in anyway .its not about me. Its about them. I want to help them .

All of my family members are stage blue or lower (idk purple maybe ) folks.  My mom is 65 years old . Very simple minded .I remember once she had a nightmare .she woke up crying and literally screaming. I ofcourse cuddled her..kissed her forehead and tried to calm her down. Then I sat down with her and told her like. look ..don't you ever go like "wtf was that about ?" (Didn't literally say wtf ofcourse)..don't you understand that our own life might be a dream ? I introduced her to René Descartes' evil demon doubt and  the whole (dream vs reality)skepticism thing . She literally told me "dude ..you need to get a girlfriend 😂).

I don’t know any other way to help her develop her conception of the world. When she asks me a question..it’s not rare that l respond "are you asking for an epistemic or an ontological answers ?" She  have not the first clue entirely what these words mean.

Whenever she asks me a question.. I always aim to tell her true things (unless of course the question is what are you watching on your phone late at night ?) in which case lying is completely warranted because I'm  Mommy's good boy . Even the idea of me watching porn can make her heart stop .  she doesn’t need to know where I have it  .Philosophy at its best is the pursuit of truth ..correct ? so why wouldn’t our conversations every single day interact with philosophy and philosophical method? In short ..why am I philosophical and people stupid ?

[Aaron p]

That which is cannot be that which it is not, for that which it is not is that which it always was. Hit them with that 

Edited October 6 by Aaron p

[Someone here]

4 minutes ago, Aaron p said:

That which is cannot be that which it is not, for that which it is not is that which it always was. Hit them with that 

Maybe my OP sounded a bit trolly but this is quite serious dude ..I don't need to cause them existential crisis by talking about nightmares and stuff ..what should happen is that I just show them a piece of existence .Leo have said before people are born with different genetics that make their minds think differently. 

[Aaron p]

@Someone here you can easily derail someone's entire life with this stuff. I'd suggest keeping is more shallow. Truth can rip families apart, be careful how much truth you splash about. Lies and fabrications are makeup the foundation of many things, including families and society. Truth will lead to a better outcome, but unless you apply it skillfully, it can be messy. Trust me

[Someone here]

8 minutes ago, Aaron p said:

@Someone here  Truth will lead to a better outcome, but unless you apply it skillfully, it can be messy. Trust me

Exactly. How to apply it skillfully cuz that's what I'm going to try to do. Because I'm not just another guy walking around caring about money ..food and sex. I consider myself advanced. And I want to raise the consciousness of people who I deal with . Imagine actually arranging a philosophical debate with your family members. Quite an experience. 

[Princess Arabia]

When one has come to the realization that all is included, and life is unfolding as it is on very different scales to the observer, one will stop trying to make everyone like them and realize that it's all perfect in it's own right. Nothing more amazing about you and nothing stupid about them. Nothing positive about being more philosophical and nothing negative about not being. Infact, the wisest man will realize and understand that they are just different shades of the same thing.

I consider it more stupid to want to change people from what they are, thinking your way is the better way. It is selfishness and a bit of neurosis to feel as if your philosophical way of being is better than someone doing crack. It's not, it's just a different way of expression and you're seeing life only from the lens of what you think it should be, and not what is. I find people smart or not who are just minding their business and being themselves and not trying to change others and the world, more at peace and OK with life more than those looking around trying to change people into being like them. That shows disturbance inside and will reflect in anything they do and will project that unto the world. Your concern is only reflecting me, me, me, and what you want people to be like. 

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[Princess Arabia]

7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I consider myself advanced. And I want to raise the consciousness of people who I deal with

Exactly, more about what it is that you want. Using people to get what you want. Nothing advanced about that. It might seem to you that you're advanced but it's just disguised tension and an uncomfortable feeling with what's appearing. It's unsettling. Advanced would be more like seeing things for what they are and relating to what is in a more advanced way instead of trying to make people into what they're not.

[Someone here]

@Princess Arabia  few points here ..you can't be in this forum and "doing this work " and say what you just said . Do you even watch someone called Leo Gura on YouTube or just Jim..Tony..Anna..Andreas..etc?

Kids don't know anything about the world. You encourage them to ask questions.. to be curious and you teach them how to feed their curiosity..you . You don't shame them for being ignorant fools. If you do maybe they will pretend to know while they just feed their fear of inadequacy rather than their love of knowledge and sometimes it's the total opposite of that. The parents brainwash their kids with ready made answers (mostly from religion ) that kills their curiosity at its root. And they grow up thinking they've got it all figured out (by being a Christian for instance) and that's about it. They know not what they are missing on in life by ignoring not knowing and questioning. Constant exploration and learning etc. And you too.

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[Hojo]

No parents are actually retarded the earlier they have their child the more retarded.

[Someone here]

@Hojo what's up with the antinatalists on the forum recently?  Every other day someone tells me having kids is the devil 

 

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[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

Do you even watch someone called Leo Gura on YouTube or just Jim..Tony..Anna..Andreas..etc?

I think i've watched one or two Jim videos since this year started, I never watch Tony because I just can't stand how he speaks and I'm not a fan, I don't watch Anna anymore and I'm not sure who Andreas is. Stop making ASSumptions. 

[Someone here]

@Princess Arabia it's not assumptions sweetie . Your entire terminology and ideas which you spout every day here is literally borrowed from those I mentioned. Not your own original "philosophy " or call it what have you .

[ivankiss]

I would not suggest philosophy and big fancy topics. It will backfire. Cause more harm than good. And likely, it is just your attempt to gain validation, attention and love from your family, that you did not get as a kid.

I came to visit my mom from Amsterdam recently. I put my entire life's work/mission on hold for this. Because she is indeed very sick and I don't know how much longer she will be able to push forward.

What I'm doing, is basically acting as some sort of a therapist to her. Because she refuses any kind of therapy. I ask her about her past. Her childhood. My childhood. I go on long walks with her. I bring her flowers. I compliment her cooking and remind her how strong she is. I try to suggest little, healthy things. Like stretching, meditation, massage, etc. I installed chatgpt on her phone and told her she can ask literally anything that pops up in her mind. I watch TV with her. I help her around the house a bit. I'm trying to keep myself out of the way as much as possible. The focus is entirely on her. It's all about giving her love, care and strength. Because I am healthy and strong enough to stand firmly in my truth now. I am a rock. Unshakable. Immovable. She is not. She is very, very emotionally/mentally unstable and physically weak. So I must be very careful not to harm her in any way, or speak my truth too loudly. My challenge here is not to lose my voice but also not let her get to me with her comments (which she makes on a daily basis) ...rather just really act from a place of wanting to help her heal.

Am I noticing improvement? Heck yes I am. Every day she's doing a bit better, she's more open to new possibilities, she's less aggressive, etc. She is closer to the truth of who she is.

It's just my story, but you might be inspired to do something similar in your own situation. Or you know, maybe you decide its all garbage and what you should do is force Leo's videos and big philosophical ideas onto your family. It's up to you.

If they are stage blue, even though SD is bullshit, then they likely already have a religious relationship with God. And that could be your way in. Say things like God knows, God understands, God watches us, God forgives, etc. Not excessively, but when it's suitable.

If they're all healthy and strong, just set in their views... then try challenging them. Bit by bit. Make them wonder. Give them examples from your own life of the higher truth. But don't push too much. Some people would rather die than admit that they're living in lies.

Good luck.

 

[Someone here]

26 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

I would not suggest philosophy and big fancy topics. It will backfire. Cause more harm than good. And likely, it is just your attempt to gain validation, attention and love from your family, that you did not get as a kid.

I came to visit my mom from Amsterdam recently. I put my entire life's work/mission on hold for this. Because she is indeed very sick and I don't know how much longer she will be able to push forward.

What I'm doing, is basically acting as some sort of a therapist to her. Because she refuses any kind of therapy. I ask her about her past. Her childhood. My childhood. I go on long walks with her. I bring her flowers. I compliment her cooking and remind her how strong she is. I try to suggest little, healthy things. Like stretching, meditation, massage, etc. I installed chatgpt on her phone and told her she can ask literally anything that pops up in her mind. I watch TV with her. I help her around the house a bit. I'm trying to keep myself out of the way as much as possible. The focus is entirely on her. It's all about giving her love, care and strength. Because I am healthy and strong enough to stand firmly in my truth now. I am a rock. Unshakable. Immovable. She is not. She is very, very emotionally/mentally unstable and physically weak. So I must be very careful not to harm her in any way, or speak my truth too loudly. My challenge here is not to lose my voice but also not let her get to me with her comments (which she makes on a daily basis) ...rather just really act from a place of wanting to help her heal.

Am I noticing improvement? Heck yes I am. Every day she's doing a bit better, she's more open to new possibilities, she's less aggressive, etc. She is closer to the truth of who she is.

It's just my story, but you might be inspired to do something similar in your own situation. Or you know, maybe you decide its all garbage and what you should do is force Leo's videos and big philosophical ideas onto your family. It's up to you.

If they are stage blue, even though SD is bullshit, then they likely already have a religious relationship with God. And that could be your way in. Say things like God knows, God understands, God watches us, God forgives, etc. Not excessively, but when it's suitable.

If they're all healthy and strong, just set in their views... then try challenging them. Bit by bit. Make them wonder. Give them examples from your own life of the higher truth. But don't push too much. Some people would rather die than admit that they're living in lies.

Good luck.

 

Thanks for the quality reply . I think this is a reasonable perspective.  Maybe she is too old to consider that her entire life was predicated upon lies and her entire worldview is a house of cards . Maybe my brothers and sisters will be more mentally flexible than her .

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[Natasha Tori Maru]

I have found most normies consider philosophy to be pretty offensive - it probes their worldview.

People use that worldview to hold onto certainty - so it feels destabilising to them, unfortunately. 

If someone is naturally looking at meaning behind things, mechanisms - I take that as a tell they may be open to a conversation 😁

[Hojo]

Mommy and daddy aren't not looking for their child to tell them how reality is they birthed you into it they have to know more by default.

Mom you didn't give birth to me! 

I was there hunny I did it!

I'm talking about me the metaphysical identity structure of reality. I'm not my physical body mom!

Ok hunny 

Edited October 6 by Hojo

[ivankiss]

@Hojo It hurts. I know.

[Someone here]

3 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Mommy and daddy aren't not looking for their child to tell them how reality is they birthed you into it they have to know more by default.

Mom you didn't give birth to me! 

I was there hunny I did it!

I'm talking about me the metaphysical identity structure of reality. I'm not my physical body mom!

Ok hunny 

Well actually that's a point that I did talk to my mom about . There is literally no such thing as a past . How could anyone possibly not get that ?😂 

[Hojo]

@Someone hereI told my mom I ate mushrooms and broke through to alternate dimensions. She didnt care.

They only care when you say things that make them feel better.

Like bro im talking about crazy shit here.

Edited October 6 by Hojo

[Someone here]

@Hojo what its like to experience a new dimension?  I can't imagine it because my imagination can only create a replica of 3D world .