How it feels being on this forum

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

This statement is an oxymoron (a statement that contradicts itself and creates a new meaning to the terms used). "Non-duality" and "more accurate" are contradictory terms when used side by side.

I meant that the picture in OPs post is more accurate to the reddit forum

[Princess Arabia]

24 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I meant that the picture in OPs post is more accurate to the reddit forum

24 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

 

Ok, misunderstood.

[Bufo Alvarius]

@Princess Arabia

It sounds like you’re not just theorizing but speaking from a place where identity has collapsed. But I also feel your deconstructive framework is incomplete. Not wrong, just locked in a very specific loop that you might not be seeing.

You often say things like “there is no experience,” “nothing is happening,” or “this is just a dream talking to itself.” But the very fact that you're saying it, using communication, expressing meaning and carrying intention, already contradicts the negation you're trying to express. Even if we say “there is no one saying this,” the saying is still happening. Even if nothing is the speaker, then that nothing is now modulating as forum dialogue. So your argument still depends on what it denies: the fact of arising and of meaning-making.

Yes, the separate self is an illusion, experience has no true owner and awakening isn’t an event or achievement but the falling away of story/narratives, but it’s a mistake to stop there. It seems like you draw from that insight the conclusion that all appearance is meaningless, that everything is just the dream continuing itself or that awakening is a kind of feedback loop inside the illusion. But when you use that to flatten everything into “just dreaming,” you also flatten love, insight, creativity and reflection, all of which are equally expressions of that same nothingness.

You seem to think that because there’s no “you” experiencing, there’s no experience at all. But even the statement “there’s no experience” is something arising. So is the writing or the reply. Something is clearly happenin, not to someone, not by someone, but as itself (or Being doing itsef). So the dream in a sense is Real, though not as a fallback into duality, but as the realization that what appears and what is are not in conflict. Like they write in the heart sutra "form is emptiness, emptiness is form". So technically speaking, if you call everything “just dream” (including your own expressions) then you end up undermining the very ground from which you're speaking.

So challenge your deconstruction and the finality with which you might hold it. If your seeing has brought you to pure no-self, but from there everything collapses into “nothing happening,” it is missing the capacity to reveal what is happening. What follows is not a return to duality, but Being as itself, a living presence that gives rise to meaning, not a nihilistic, dead, presence that lacks meaning.

[Hojo]

@Bufo AlvariusI say this everyday. I made her say I am right and she is wrong and made her her say she is my slave using the hole in her logical framework. And she still dosent see it. She will claim its her outsmarting me but she dosent know that I said those specific words and logic to make her say what I want her to say that means her logic and language of what shes saying has a hole. If I can use logic and language to make you say something its not sound. If the logic was sound that wouldnt be possible.

Edited yesterday at 07:20 AM by Hojo

[Princess Arabia]

8 hours ago, Bufo Alvarius said:

You seem to think that because there’s no “you” experiencing, there’s no experience at all. But even the statement “there’s no experience” is something arising. So is the writing or the reply. Something is clearly happenin, not to someone, not by someone, but as itself (or Being doing itsef).

I explained this in my response to Meeksauce. Not sure how to insert and quote it here but I'll try. Exactly as you're saying here (not verbatim) is how I explained it. There is experience but not to or for anyone, just experience as itself. You must have seen that discussion or you wouldn't have mentioned experience but I'm not sure how you could have missed where I explained myself to what I meant when I said experience is an illusion.

[Princess Arabia]

10 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

I'm not saying I go around saying experience is an illusion and therefore this food I'm eating for breakfast before I go visit my family is not happening so I sit there and do nothing since experience is an illusion. This stuff cannot be actualized and practiced and be consciously chosen. It is that very fact why experience seems to exist in the first place. It is it's own 'being' but a person comes in and says they're having an experience. It is not your experience, it is just experience. I'm just pointing that out when I say that.

@Bufo Alvariusthis is what I said about experience.

[Princess Arabia]

8 hours ago, Hojo said:

I made her say

8 hours ago, Hojo said:

 

.....and I made you shut up, didn't I. You didn't make me do anything. 

[Princess Arabia]

8 hours ago, Bufo Alvarius said:

But I also feel your deconstructive framework is incomplete. Not wrong, just locked in a very specific loop that you might not be seeing.

Yeah, I won't deny this and I'm not really concerned about it either as ilm not trying to be perfect, i am not teaching a class on deconstruction of the illusory nature of existence and there are still remnants of a me that seems to still be felt even though it's not really there, so of course it's incomplete. I'm still deconstructing as I go along and observing as I do so and realizing as I realize. This is all illusory too and all stories as there's nothing to deconstruct, it's just what seems to be happening. 

[Princess Arabia]

9 hours ago, Bufo Alvarius said:

Yes, the separate self is an illusion, experience has no true owner and awakening isn’t an event or achievement but the falling away of story/narratives, but it’s a mistake to stop there. It seems like you draw from that insight the conclusion that all appearance is meaningless, that everything is just the dream continuing itself or that awakening is a kind of feedback loop inside the illusion. But when you use that to flatten everything into “just dreaming,” you also flatten love, insight, creativity and reflection, all of which are equally expressions of that same nothingness.

All appearances are meaningless. Everything is meaningless in the Absolute sense which is where i'm coming from when I say things like this. It's pretty obvious your comment seems to have meant something to me or I wouldn't have responded; but it is totally without meaning without me giving it meaning and the me doesn't actually exist so it is meaningless. And in case someone is saying let's see if your face gets smashed in if that's meaningless, that's on you because I already said it seems to  have meaning to a me, but that's as far as meaning goes. 

The individual is the dream itself. I've also said no one IS dreaming; the individual that sees itself as separate is the dream. I'm not flattening anything. Nothing is already flat by it's own existence and you're the one that wants to brighten it up and give it importance. Everything is nothing and nothing is everything so to itself nothing means anything.

Edited yesterday at 04:12 PM by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

9 hours ago, Bufo Alvarius said:

So technically speaking, if you call everything “just dream” (including your own expressions) then you end up undermining the very ground from which you're speaking.

Everything is not "just dream", you've interpreted what I've said this way. Only the I AM is the dream, everything else is simply nothing appearing. I don't own expressions they are just expressions. To the dream they are my expressions. If I speak normally, I'd probably say my expression of but that's the dream talking, the dream can become lucid even though it's still just an appearance and not really happening. When I say not really happening, it's quite obvious to me in the Absolute sense that nothing is really happening. My life seems to go on where feelings are felt and sensations appear and the rest, as nothing really happening cannot be experienced and felt. Those words are only for discussions about the Absolute even though here lots have fallen away to reveal I have no life and no one is in this body.

[Hojo]

@Princess Arabia If by ending a conversation by admitting the other person is right and being their slave is making the other person shut up then yes. I logically made you say that stuff. You had to say it or admit you are wrong. Now you skew it into you somehow mind bending me. I'm not your slave honey you are mine via logic. I pointed it out on 2 seperate occasions and you did what I said over seeing the hole in your logic.

Edited yesterday at 04:47 PM by Hojo

[Princess Arabia]

8 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Princess Arabia If my ending a conversation by admitting the other person is right and being their slave is making the other person shut up then yes. I logically made you say that stuff. You had to say it or admit you are wrong. Now you skew it into you somehow mind bending me. I'm not your slave honey you are mine.

Whatever you say and believe. Makes no difference. I can't believe you actually think you made me do anything that meant anything to me. None of that nattered to me it is you that's giving it all meaning in your world. To me, they were just a bunch of typed words that i played a game with you and typed., that's it. Saying you made me do it is like saying I made you write that response because I responded back or you made me type these words i'm typing now just to respond to you and that every single person that responds to anybody on the forum, the person they're responding to made them do it. 

Edited yesterday at 04:52 PM by Princess Arabia

[Jodistrict]

12 hours ago, Meeksauce said:

I have some serious health issues so yes I have a lot of pain and I still suffer. If I didn't have health issues I wouldn't be suffering.

We all have pain because we are biological organisms.  Suffering doesn't depend on having pain or not having pain.   Suffering is a mental resistance.  The Three Noble Truths say that suffering can be 100% eliminated.   But it requires true liberation.  I find it useful as a reality check.  

[Hojo]

@Princess Arabia I used specific words on purpose to make you do it. I know you wouldn't admit you are wrong but I gave you the choice. By your logic you had to say it or admit you were wrong. You chose to say it over admitting you are wrong. 

The words were not random. Here is the logic

Me: a = b

You: b = b a dosent exist to = b

Me: still a = b

You: no b = b a dosent exist to = b

Me: then you are my slave

You: in your dreams 

Me: its my dream

You: I have my own dreams

Me: then a = b

You: b = b a dosent exist to = b

Me: if a dosent exist to = b then you are my slave. I am b saying that if there's no a then you must agree. Or what is disagreeing with b?

You: I am your slave.

The words were not random its specific logic you cannot see.

I did this on 2 seperate occasions with your logic and you still don't understand. Your logic is broken. Its not like replying to someone is making them say something i made you say specific words based on your logic. If we consistently did that with your logic I could make you say and do anything cause you don't exist to deny or defend yourself. You beleive your logic exist over yourself and are willing to surrender yourself over broken logic. You literally became my slave in the spiritual world forever over admitting your logic is broken.

You didnt make me shut up the conversation was over cause you agreed with me.

Edited yesterday at 05:52 PM by Hojo

[Bufo Alvarius]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

I'm still deconstructing as I go along and observing as I do so and realizing as I realize. 

Kudos to your honesty about still deconstructing, I see few people on the forum being so open about it.

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

All appearances are meaningless. Everything is meaningless in the Absolute sense which is where i'm coming from when I say things like this. It's pretty obvious your comment seems to have meant something to me or I wouldn't have responded; but it is totally without meaning without me giving it meaning and the me doesn't actually exist so it is meaningless. And in case someone is saying let's see if your face gets smashed in if that's meaningless, that's on you because I already said it seems to  have meaning to a me, but that's as far as meaning goes. 

The individual is the dream itself. I've also said no one IS dreaming; the individual that sees itself as separate is the dream. I'm not flattening anything. Nothing is already flat by it's own existence and you're the one that wants to brighten it up and give it importance. Everything is nothing and nothing is everything so to itself nothing means anything.

Let me clarify: What I initially referred to as a “specific loop” that I see recurring in your deconstruction is the ongoing mental habit of negation, abstraction, and reduction in pursuit of nondual clarity. Specifically, it's the recursive pattern where: one sees through the self → concludes “there is no one here” → extends that into “nothing is happening” → then into “it’s all meaningless” → and then uses that to deny even the richness of what is happening now.

This becomes a nihilistic loop, not because nothing is actually appearing, but because all appearing is being filtered through the lens of “must be nothing” to preserve a kind of nondual purity. When you say “all appearances are meaningless” or “everything is meaningless in the Absolute sense,” that might be a carryover from that same loop. After all, what arises here, including this exchange, isn’t meaningless unless a concept imposes that view on it.

What if meaning isn’t personal, but natural? What if the very aliveness of this moment, this appearing, carries a significance that isn’t for someone, but simply is?

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

Everything is not "just dream", you've interpreted what I've said this way. Only the I AM is the dream, everything else is simply nothing appearing. I don't own expressions they are just expressions. To the dream they are my expressions. If I speak normally, I'd probably say my expression of but that's the dream talking, the dream can become lucid even though it's still just an appearance and not really happening. When I say not really happening, it's quite obvious to me in the Absolute sense that nothing is really happening. My life seems to go on where feelings are felt and sensations appear and the rest, as nothing really happening cannot be experienced and felt. Those words are only for discussions about the Absolute even though here lots have fallen away to reveal I have no life and no one is in this body.

I see where you’re coming from, the I AM as the dream, and beyond that, nothing appearing. But even in this explanation, there’s appearing. There’s speaking, differentiation and communication. Even saying “nothing is happening” is something happening. So the issue isn’t whether there’s a person (I agree there doesn’t need to be). The issue is that the radicality of Being isn’t in collapsing everything into unreality, but in the simple, self-evident fact that this is. And it is undeniably and vividly happening.

To me that doesn’t negate the dream, it rather redeems it. And this is where embodiment comes into play: as living presence, as meaning that doesn’t belong to a self but arises naturally, as Being itself.

Edited yesterday at 05:31 PM by Bufo Alvarius

[Puer Aeternus]

@Hojo What's with the slave obsession? No one asked to involved in your weird kink shit.

[Hojo]

@Puer AeternusI said it one time she is denying her existence I can take it she isnt even there and isnt there to fight slavery. Obviously via a hypothetical I use extreme terms to prove points. It is a kink too tho but she cant ask so I introduced it why shouldnt I if I am talking to noone? I didnt introduce it as a kink I introduced it as a hypothetical the kink was a mere projection of my extremes.

Edited yesterday at 05:58 PM by Hojo

[Salariatu]

Same as 2018. 

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, Hojo said:

I said it one time she is denying her existence

No, you said I was denying God's existence by saying there's no one or there's no me or whatever. I said no you were denying God's existence by saying youlre there because there can't be God and also you.

Anyway, about the other stuff, I'm through with that nonsensical conversation. It's not going anywhere and it's time consuming where I don't feel the need to waste my time there discussing slaves and who made who type words on a screen and blah blah. The brain doesn't work like yours and lots of confusion and complications are at play there.

[Hojo]

@Princess ArabiaYou ARE God. You exist and have opinions and thoughts and desires those are Gods. You (God) is doing it through where you dont exist. You do exist and have sovereignty. Just somewhere else its not here. Princess Arabia is not real but the thing that made Princess Arabia is real and it exists in this moment and forever and it has sovereignty. There is a beautiful video showing the gnostic beleif and its like what it is. We are real and are Gods but we are in some sort of construct that isnt us. We are existing outside the construct looking in. Its like this @ 19:38

We exist and are real but not in the physical light. You are denying God by saying you dont exist you do exist just not princess Arabia. When you have the eureka moment of awakening you see you dont exist as yourself you do exist as something else. You still exist. Just nothing to with names or ideas the thing that you are is creating those.

When people have the eureka moment of awakening and they say oh my God I dont exist, is because they are identifying with the light. The demiurge. The thing that is not them. They look at their body and say oh my God thats not me my body isnt me I dont exist. But they do exist something is there that is existing to see it dosent exist. Its the same thing thats doing your flawed logic. Its the same thing that admitted I was right to not admit they were wrong via their logic.

Edited yesterday at 06:18 PM by Hojo