The Biggest "Blunder" Of Reality That Everyone Overlooks

[UnbornTao]

What's the use for making up cosmologies? If you're honest, when you check your experience, there's likely a pretty solid sense of self there. It's currently what you take yourself to be, even if it isn't something you can directly find. It is your experience of yourself now!

Edited September 6 by UnbornTao

[ExploringReality]

14 hours ago, Hojo said:

@Princess Arabia There's no one to not be able to have the conversation. There's no one to be done with the conversation. How can you know you are done with the conversation? How do you know you won't continue it at a later time? More contradicting statements. How do you know you cant keep explaining it?

Nonsense 

[Hojo]

@ExploringRealityIt is nonsense thats what I am pointing out. Calling a comment I make pointing out nonsense as nonsense is negative IQ.

Edited September 4 by Hojo

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Oh no, another cosmology brewing. 

Why do people make up this bullshit? What purpose does it serve?

💩

[UnbornTao]

On 9/1/2025 at 2:49 PM, Princess Arabia said:

It's not really a blunder nor a mistake. I said that for emphasis. 

Notice you're using your eyes to see this message while i'm using mine to write this message. Different eyes seeing the exact same thing. My sense of sight sees what your sense of sight sees. My cat and I are sitting in the room. An explosion occurs outside. We both jump. A cat hears the same thing a human hears not to mention her ears are on a cat's body with a total different make up. 

You're in a room talking with a friend. Your mom walks in. Both sees mom. Different heads, different bodies, different sets of eyes, both sees the same exact person. 

I smell toast burning you smell toast burning. Two separate bodies smelling the same things simultaneously. Yet if you hit me upside the head, I'm the only one that will feel it. I understand it's direct contact; but it's direct contact also with sight and smell. Why aren't you feeling the hit upside the head just like us smelling the burnt toast together. That's direct contact of the sense of smell.

Two people turn their heads witnessing the same car accident from different bodies, different sets of eyes. How's my cat seeing the neighbor with her cat eyes and I'm seeing the neighbor with my human eyes. A million people at a rally watching the same speaker. A million different sets of eyes seeing the same speaker. I see a snake, you see the same snake, the snake sees both of us. Different sets of eyes seeing the same things.

How's that happening. I will wait for the "the same thing looking out my eyes is the same thing looking out your eyes" generic response. Whose feeling what I'm feeling. I'm very curious to see the responses and comments to this topic. I say blunder because everything else seems so separate but this one thing is obvious unity.

You may be prematurely jumping to conclusions.

Edited September 5 by UnbornTao

[Mellowmarsh]

On 02/09/2025 at 6:24 PM, Princess Arabia said:

Ok. You're right as the dream. Can't deny that. "KNOWLEDGE of" is separation. There's none. 

“Knowledge of”as in knowing concepts.

That statement implies “separation” is known. 
 

The illusion is known by the illusion itself. In other words nothing knows itself as a concept which can know nothing. 
That’s loopy right?
 

Separation is a mysterious phenomenon. For example: think of your body- it manifests into being as one whole being. And yet it has many parts to it. Insofar as the hand is not the leg but both are inseparably one body.

 

A prime example of separation within the whole can be known something like when a toothache pain is felt in the mouth only and not in the hand. So why doesn’t the hand feel the pain that the mouth is feeling ?

Maybe that’s what is occurring on a universal scale where everything is one totality, and yet at the same time the whole is separated into many different body parts, known as ten thousand things, or something like that?

 

Btw, your OP topic is a very interesting idea, it’s something I have pondered myself many times. 
 

 

 

 

[Princess Arabia]

4 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Separation is a mysterious phenomenon. For example: think of your body- it manifests into being as one whole being. And yet it has many parts to it. Insofar as the hand is not the leg but both are inseparably one body.

One body that you perceive to be one body. That appears to look like one body. These are projections. You seem separate, you appear to be separate, so now what comes with that automatically is a sense of a separate body with many parts that I am in and i perceive other separate whole bodies with different parts. That's an illusion. There are no separate bodies with different parts. That's the observer(you), the dream, that's projecting. Without you, there's just what is timelessly being itself which is already the case. Think of when you were a baby and before you KNEW of yourself to BE. A sense of self apparently arose in the body to make it seem as if there are also separate bodies but that's the illusion and the dream.

[Princess Arabia]

4 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Btw, your OP topic is a very interesting idea, it’s something I have pondered myself many times. 

Yes, I can see your energetic structure to be one that would seem to ponder the same kind of things this energetic structure does just from your responses. We will clash and we may agree; but it's of a similiar structural pattern. I saw that from your discussions with James and in other threads. Not too many will veer off into these kinds of thinking and ideas. It comes from a certain type of energy. All illusory but, nonetheless, it appears so.

[Princess Arabia]

4 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

A prime example of separation within the whole can be known something like when a toothache pain is felt in the mouth only and not in the hand. So why doesn’t the hand feel the pain that the mouth is feeling ?

Like these kinds of questions is what I ponder at times. I'm always pondering things. No room for too much personal suffering because i'm not focused too much on myself just life on a whole and it's mysteries. This here query I'll have to ponder some more but it's an interesting thing to ponder about. I've never pondered this so thanks for a pondering idea.

Edit: Pondered for 30secs and came up with the tooth isn't where the pain is but it's where the energy of pain is felt and why it's not felt in the hand is because the tension isn't in the hand area. IOW, energetically pain is arising and can only be felt where it's energetically arising for no reason or purpose and we just call it a tooth ache or an arm ache, but it's just energetic tension that seems to arise in those respective parts.

Edited September 5 by Princess Arabia

[Mellowmarsh]

59 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

One body that you perceive to be one body. That appears to look like one body. These are projections. You seem separate, you appear to be separate, so now what comes with that automatically is a sense of a separate body with many parts that I am in and i perceive other separate whole bodies with different parts. That's an illusion. There are no separate bodies with different parts. That's the observer(you), the dream, that's projecting. Without you, there's just what is timelessly being itself which is already the case. Think of when you were a baby and before you KNEW of yourself to BE. A sense of self apparently arose in the body to make it seem as if there are also separate bodies but that's the illusion and the dream.

I understand what you are saying. 👍

Maybe the problem of separation lies in the label, the name you’re parents gave to you as a baby, that was the birth of identification?

 

But then how would humans have functioned in the world without an identity? Maybe that’s all just the dream, and the dream cannot and never could be nondual, it was always going to be dual, right? 
 

But then dreams are not real either, so all we are left with is the dual but non dual. Or, two but not two.

 

We cannot know nonduality because we are nonduality. The knowing that cannot be known so to speak.

Edited September 5 by Mellowmarsh

[Mellowmarsh]

42 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Like these kinds of questions is what I ponder at times. I'm always pondering things. No room for too much personal suffering because i'm not focused too much on myself just life on a whole and it's mysteries. This here query I'll have to ponder some more but it's an interesting thing to ponder about. I've never pondered this so thanks for a pondering idea.

Edit: Pondered for 30secs and came up with the tooth isn't where the pain is but it's where the energy of pain is felt and why it's not felt in the hand is because the tension isn't in the hand area. IOW, energetically pain is arising and can only be felt where it's energetically arising for no reason or purpose and we just call it a tooth ache or an arm ache, but it's just energetic tension that seems to arise in those respective parts.

Good, now extend that pondered thought into the idea of separate bodies called people and does it correlate with why these seemingly separate bodies cannot feel each other’s pain?

 

we can know others feel pain because you yourself can feel pain, but knowing that doesn’t mean we can feel another person’s pain. It’s just mind boggling how the separation factor works even if it is only illusory.

[UnbornTao]

@Princess Arabia

17 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

You may be prematurely jumping to conclusions.

For example, a German speaker who doesn't know English would perceive (interpret) this string of text differently from you. Even among English speakers, what they "hear" and interpret when you communicate can sometimes be completely different. And "mom" in this example exists relative to the relationship you have with that person - your friend doesn't see "mom" the same way you do.

It may feel like direct contact in the sense that you personally experience the sensations, but perception itself is an indirect process. We hear that a fly perceives an object from many different angles (or something along those lines, I don’t recall), and at times it might relate to the object more effectively than we do with the limited means our sense organs provide, even though we "know" there is really just one object there, appearing only as our perception presents it.

Some thoughts.

[Sugarcoat]

On 2025-09-01 at 3:57 PM, Princess Arabia said:

Speak English please. I'm expecting some weirded out explanations but not this weirded out. What does this have to do with how you can see this response I'm making with a different set of eyes over there in Germany or wherever the hell you at.

Reality can dream several dreams being connected to each other, I think

 

[Princess Arabia]

5 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

@Princess Arabia

For example, a German speaker who doesn't know English would perceive (interpret) this string of text differently from you. Even among English speakers, what they "hear" and interpret when you communicate can sometimes be completely different. And "mom" in this example exists relative to the relationship you have with that person - your friend doesn't see "mom" the same way you do.

It may feel like direct contact in the sense that you personally experience the sensations, but perception itself is an indirect process. We hear that a fly perceives an object from many different angles (or something along those lines, I don’t recall), and at times it might relate to the object more effectively than we do with the limited means our sense organs provide, even though we "know" there is really just one object there, appearing only as our perception presents it.

Some thoughts.

You have totally twisted and turned what I'm trying to point out here. You see a cow, I see the same cow with different sets of eyes and different bodies. How's that. Not an interpretation of a cow, not an experience of a cow, just a cow, just a bird, just a car. How can we both see the same object at the same time. You from your body and eyes, me from my body and eyes, see the exact same thing at the same time. That's all I'm saying.

Edited September 5 by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

9 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

we can know others feel pain because you yourself can feel pain, but knowing that doesn’t mean we can feel another person’s pain.

I believe this is possible. To what extent, i'm not sure. I've heard of mother's feeling their child's pain and also twins. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

11 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

You have totally twisted and turned what I'm trying to point out here. You see a cow, I see the same cow with different sets of eyes and different bodies. How's that. Not an interpretation of a cow, not an experience of a cow, just a cow, just a bird, just a car. How can we both see the same object at the same time. You from your body and eyes, me from my body and eyes, see the exact same thing at the same time. That's all I'm saying.

How do you know you are actually see the same cow? You sense light reflecting off a cow, but both sets of eyes see different light. 

Is that the same cow? 

[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

How do you know you are actually see the same cow? You sense light reflecting off a cow, but both sets of eyes see different light. 

Is that the same cow? 

Well, that's a nice insight. Probably. Something to ponder. Won't know for sure, though. If that's the case though, it has to be for everything else. I see a traffic light, you see a traffic light but it's not the same traffic light. Replace for every single object that's seen by multiple people. That's a lot of duplicates. A million man march with one speaker, all see the same speaker or is it a million speakers. One for every set of eyes. See what I mean, weird.

Edited September 5 by Princess Arabia

[UnbornTao]

54 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

You have totally twisted and turned what I'm trying to point out here. You see a cow, I see the same cow with different sets of eyes and different bodies. How's that. Not an interpretation of a cow, not an experience of a cow, just a cow, just a bird, just a car. How can we both see the same object at the same time. You from your body and eyes, me from my body and eyes, see the exact same thing at the same time. That's all I'm saying.

Ok - without those things it'd likely stop being a 'cow' for you. Pure perception is a meaningless phenomenon. It's simply sensory input until it is made sense of by us. That a particular sentient object or being appears as a cow for us might be a function of interpreting it as such. So we have work to do on clarifying this entire process of encounter.

But then, what do we have relative to the object except our experience of it? Are you suggesting that perception is a direct encounter with reality?

I suspect that, setting aside our experience of any object, we'll arrive at the observation that we don't know what objects are. But I see your point that objective reality has rules and principles - it isn't random and isn't controlled by us.

So: perception, experience, interpretation, objects. Quite significant contemplations indeed.

Edited September 5 by UnbornTao

[Nemra]

When using words like seeing, feeling, etc., in reference to others, they imply that those people are separate conscious agents existing within your experience.

The question should instead be rephrased in a way that does not focus on the existence of independent conscious agents in one’s experience—since their experience is, from your standpoint, non-existent—while still acknowledging that the thing is being referred to both by you and by the other person.

A possible rephrasing could be: How is it possible that a thing within my experience can be referred or pointed to both by me and by other things within that same experience?

Edited September 5 by Nemra

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

Well, that's a nice insight. Probably. Something to ponder. Won't know for sure, though. If that's the case though, it has to be for everything else. I see a traffic light, you see a traffic light but it's not the same traffic light. Replace for every single object that's seen by multiple people. That's a lot of duplicates. A million man march with one speaker, all see the same speaker or is it a million speakers. One for every set of eyes. See what I mean, weird.

My brain is exploding 🤯