God Is a Hedonistic Bastard — And That’s the Whole Truth

[rudirotbart]

The biggest blindspot in spirituality is that people refuse to admit the obvious: God is a hedonistic bastard. God’s only “agenda” is the maximization of pleasure for Himself. Not moral duty. Not self-annihilation. Not abstract “awakening.” Just pure, unashamed enjoyment.

 

That’s why the ego exists. If God only wanted flat bliss, He could dissolve into Infinity and stay there. But Infinity without contrast is boring. The ego is God’s own spice machine — it provides limitation, longing, frustration, contrast. And why? Because contrast makes fulfillment infinitely juicier. Pain isn’t some cosmic necessity. It’s seasoning. God chooses just enough of it to make the banquet of pleasure explode with intensity.

 

And here’s the most absurd part of mainstream “nonduality”: people like Leo Gura draw a line between “ego” and “God,” as if the ego wasn’t God’s own creation. As if God could create a desire and then declare war on it. That’s not wisdom, that’s stupidity of the highest order. The ego is not an obstacle. It is God’s art form, designed for maximum enjoyment.

 

Look closely: every time an ego desire is fulfilled, a piece of it softens and dissolves. That’s how the “death of ego” actually works — through fullness, not annihilation. No torture, no horror, no cosmic masochism required. Just the overflowing pleasure of a self being fully expressed and then naturally bowing out when it’s complete.

 

So let’s stop pretending spirituality is about self-hatred or fear. The truth is far simpler and far more radical: God created the self to taste Himself more deeply. God is Infinite Love, yes — but Infinite Love for Himself, expressed through every possible form of pleasure.

 

The ego is not the enemy. It’s the instrument. And annihilation is not the point. Fulfillment is.

 

[Zeroguy]

Well explained man.

[Sugarcoat]

3 hours ago, rudirotbart said:

every time an ego desire is fulfilled, a piece of it softens and dissolves

There could be ego boosting pleasures that directly highlights the self, so what u said doesn’t apply in all situations 

[Razard86]

This is all true, in fact God cannot have a life without the ego because ego is suffering and without suffering you cannot be alive. You can exist sure, but you cannot be alive. Santa Claus exists, but because he cannot suffer he is not real. So to suffer is to live. To be vulnerable is to be innocent, so vulnerability is the expression of innocence. Why do humans look at babies as innocent? Because of their vulnerability. A wall is not vulnerable so you couldn't care less about its destruction.

[Jodistrict]

There will always be pain, because pain comes from the physical processes of a biological organsim.  But suffering is an illusion.  According to The Four Noble Truths there is an end to suffering.

Edited September 1 by Jodistrict

[Someone here]

False . Pleasure is also pointless despite being the only thing that truly matters for 99% of people. Imagine fucking Kate Upton while high on heroin and sipping pina colada cocktails forever. Few years of doing this and this very experience will becoming  the definition of hell.

When Buddha went to the woods alone without food or water to meditate was that a hedonistic action ? When Muhammad used to walk 15 kilometres every night to go meditate in a cave was that a hedonistic act?

[seriousman24]

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

False . Pleasure is also pointless despite being the only thing that truly matters for 99% of people. Imagine fucking Kate Upton while high on heroin and sipping pina colada cocktails forever. Few years of doing this and this very experience will becoming  the definition of hell.

When Buddha went to the woods alone without food or water to meditate was that a hedonistic action ? When Muhammad used to walk 15 kilometres every night to go meditate in a cave was that a hedonistic act?

It's all about the normal usage of the words. Pleasure becoming pain is clearly not pleasure at that point. Finding relief from our pain is clearly a pleasure, also all pains are fueled by pleasure as an energy source hence your correct assessment of it leading to hell. Reality is a crossing of pleasures, sometimes in harmony sometimes not. Maybe it's possible to stop a bad behavior by getting rewarded with pleasures instead of punished with pains. I don't have to suffer excruciating pain every time I obey the traffic rules as a pedestrian to not get run over, I simply efficiently avoid it, bhudda himself said he was wrong to go to those extremes. Our complex thoughts and feelings can be exquisite pleasures or pains, our bodies are immensely complex.

It's possible to look at both pleasure and pain as realities isolated from any particular action, it's possible to even conceptualize pleasure or pain as separate beings themselves, how would they act, what would they do, how would they survive, in case they meet what would their relationship be like, extremely elucidating to contemplate.

Any complex action can be broken down to checks and balances of ultra micro pleasures and pains, it doesn't diminish their greatness or their horror in anyway, if it diminishes their greatness then I failed at keeping it as a pleasure, at the same time if something is just truly hurtful it's more likely to not be my preference at the moment so it's acceptable to discard it, this small example has so many in between possibilities of success (pleasure) and pain (failure) that it can be attacked in an infinity of ways and it would be correct every time but missing the point.

By the time a single word as been used millions of indirectly related bodily functions that rely on checks of pleasures and pains in the body need to fire for an action to come out of us, we only feel a small part of it depending on the current focus/state.

Good things are good, bad things are bad, we're just going through the mixed up stuff, we're always debating against each other because, "what if this or that pleasure leads to this or that pain!?" or "but what if enduring this pain leads to less pain or/and to this or that great hidden pleasure!?", this is all we're doing with each other and ourselves.

It just gets more and more complex and then it blinds us, the beautiful complexity of any given state does not diminish basic forms of pleasure neither do basic forms diminish complex forms, they are both intertwined ( when in harmony which is what people are actually fighting over ).

Pleasure is not just something that happens to us, it is literally us too, you could even potentially frame pain as an unwanted pleasure but I'm not sure about this works yet.

That said the world still seems to be infinite so, there are infinite types and their origin seems unfathomable to discern from outside, so how they're going to ultimately act and evolve to seems obvious but what they really are can only be felt directly?

Anyway thank you for triggering me I needed an excuse to vent.