There is simply no solution to "solve" society

[kylan11]

Leo's recent blog post about America's decline into oligarchy & the critique of libertarianism (though it read more like a critique of Hoppe) has inspired this reflection. Years of research and inquiry into history, political science, and ethics have led me to this conclusion, which I'll be sharing in hopes of receiving meaningful pushback and maybe sparking some interesting discussion.

There is simply no solution. Any utopian society your mind can imagine is fatally flawed, and there is no escaping this. If it touches reality, it will either detonate on impact or devour itself.

We thought we had it with pluralistic, classical liberal post-enlightenment democracy. And, to be sure, it is the least shitty implementation so far, but I'm done pretending democracy is anything other than a temporary elaborate illusion that buys a few generations of comfort before collapsing back into oligarchy, tyranny, or chaos.

Let's take liberty as our highest value. Surely that must be it, right? Except that when you're born with nothing and nobody is compelled to lend you a helping hand, your only actual freedom is to starve to death. What looks like freedom from the penthouse is just moral bankrupcy in the gutter. And NAP is not gravity. It is a suggestion (ironically enough I'm paraphrasing Elon Musk here) with no recourse.

So... maybe equality? Sounds pretty reasonable. Everyone ought to have a fair shot. But equality is as far away from ground reality as it gets, meaning it requires careful engineering and enforcement. Which means massive coercion. Which means centralization. So congratz, we've built the world's biggest monopoly and gave it nukes. What could go wrong?

So let's do decentralization then. Add attrition (this is democracy's shtick, in a nutshell)! Spread the power around! Cool, so we're back to gradual self-destruction by polarization, feudal warlording, and round we go.

Power tends to concentrate. And the only leviathan is an even bigger power to break it up. And the latter can be corrupted, and is, just as easily. Not because it wants to do evil, it just wants to survive. Like us.

Survival IS corruption. Self-preservation at all costs and to hell with everyone else if my life is on the line. This is the engine of history. Centralization -> stagnation -> collapse -> decentralization -> chaos -> re-centralization. We all ride this cycle, and no constitution or dynasty or empire or ideology has ever broken it.

So if you think we're marching towards a stable equilibrium, we are: DEATH. Silence. Utopia requires permanence... in a world which runs on the illusion of duality, which runs on constant flux, definitionally, before devouring itself. It's a contradiction.

That was my 2 cents. If you can go deeper, do it. I'd like to hear it.

Edited August 29 by kylan11

[Princess Arabia]

Very good insight and analysis. No more to add other than this is observation at it's finest. I've noticed this and why there's no interest here in solving much of anything "wordly". It will just eat itself up and breed something else that needs to be solved. It's a never ending cycle and is the exact replica of INFINITY. That's why it's zero as in GROUND ZERO. 

Very good. 

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, kylan11 said:

Power tends to concentrate. And the only leviathan is an even bigger power to break it up. And the latter can be corrupted, and is, just as easily. Not because it wants to do evil, it just wants to survive. Like us.

This is the meat right here. This is at the core.

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, kylan11 said:

Survival IS corruption. Self-preservation at all costs and to hell with everyone else if my life is on the line. This is the engine of history. Centralization -> stagnation -> collapse -> decentralization -> chaos -> re-centralization. We all ride this cycle, and no constitution or dynasty or empire or ideology has ever broken it

This too.

[Joshe]

The solution is evolution. 

[kylan11]

3 hours ago, Joshe said:

The solution is evolution. 

Evolution selects for survivability. Thus perpetuating the root cause.

[Ishanga]

The solution is Raising of Human Consciousness, the root problem today is Low Consciousness for the majority of ppl alive today.

What this means is simple, People need to realize what it means to be Human, that we can live beyond the Survival Instinct or Egoic nature in simple terms.  We have Free Will, we can choose how to be within ourselves, its within our Potential!

What we have now with tech is that our Survival is more guaranteed than ever before, we have more systems set up for food and shelter provisions that ever before for most ppl today, the ones that don't have today this is due to again low consciousness, there's more profit to keep them poor than to provide them with housing and basics!

I don't think we are going to make it though, the conditioning machine that is ruling our societies has too much momentum, plus there are other things happening that are just out of our control, I would be surprised if Humanity is still around in 100-200 yrs from now, either we self annihilate ourselves or nature does it for Us!

[Joshe]

7 hours ago, kylan11 said:

Evolution selects for survivability. Thus perpetuating the root cause.

And yet the average human character has evolved far beyond what it was 5000 years ago. 

 

[Willie]

37 minutes ago, Joshe said:

And yet the average human character has evolved far beyond what it was 5000 years ago. 

 

You seem very confident about that. Technology has certainly evolved to make more complex societies with longer, higher quality lives possible. But if you remove all technology and just look at a person, are they much better than a person 5000 years ago?

[Joshe]

2 hours ago, Willie said:

But if you remove all technology and just look at a person, are they much better than a person 5000 years ago?

I'm open to being wrong, but all things evolve, including the human psyche. I'm not big on spiral dynamics but if humans used to largely be stage red and now they're largely blue/orange, does it not make sense they will continue to move up the spiral? 

On a long enough timeline, we either self-destruct or transcend. When I consider advanced aliens, it's seems unlikely they haven't transcended this dog eat dog, law of the jungle mentality.

[Twentyfirst]

Why would you try to solve society (samsara). Just have fun and help people along the way