Integration of red stage

[Porphyry Fedotov]

Hey everyone, like many of us who are currently at the Green stage, I encountered a significant lack of Red stage in me (about five years ago). I’m curious - what methods do you use to integrate Red into your life?

I just went through the forum’s list on the Red stage and started including some of it in my life. I started boxing, which I really enjoyed. I also went to a sabong (cockfight, I’m in Manila and it has the biggest arena in the world). I really liked the masculine energy there. I didn’t really feel much of a gambling rush, even though I placed a small bet, but the whole vibe you soak in was definitely very Red, and I enjoyed it.
Also some of red i guess I've been integrating subcounciesly. Like I'm into tattoo culture, but it's just an appearance of Red, which doesn't do you much

Anyway, I’d love to hear how you guys integrate Red

[ryoko]

Pain. Build tolerance for pain. That's the core of red. And not just physical. You don't have to engage in physical activities if it doesn't serve your purpose. Build tolerance for pain where it matters for you. 

And don't turn red into a sharade of tattoos and cockfight bets. It's an insult to red. 

[Porphyry Fedotov]

5 minutes ago, ryoko said:

Pain. Build tolerance for pain. That's the core of red. And not just physical. You don't have to engage in physical activities if it doesn't serve your purpose. Build tolerance for pain where it matters for you. 

And don't turn red into a sharade of tattoos and cockfight bets. It's an insult to red. 

Well, I don't have any problems with pain tolerance, tho. Try getting a neck tattoo and then tell me about the pain

Red stage isn't about pain tolerance, I think you're mistaken. The core of the red stage is about raw power, domination, impulse, ego assertion, “I want, I take.” It’s about breaking free of external control and proving strength in a direct, visceral way

[ryoko]

That's a regression. What stage red expresses itself through is one thing. Because they don't know any better. 

Integration is about getting to the core of it. 

Try seeing it through NOT the lens of it's expressions. 

[Porphyry Fedotov]

28 minutes ago, ryoko said:

That's a regression. What stage red expresses itself through is one thing. Because they don't know any better. 

Integration is about getting to the core of it. 

Try seeing it through NOT the lens of it's expressions. 

You can't regress in spyral. Red takes a lot of form, finding commonalities, participating in ones you vibe with and absorbing non-toxic forms of it is integration. That's what I'm doing via different means. Such as boxing, for example
What is your approach? I'd like to see what you do to integrate red  

[ryoko]

First thing. You misunderstood the term regression. Or may be you can't see it yet. A stage Green person doesn't go into a boxing ring and fight, unless he's already stage red too.

For a purely stage Green person, the expression of red comes in different forms. It can be sticking to his community and values despite the hatred from society, etc etc. A stage blue/orange person cannot endure this for various reasons. But they can endure other things. Why do you think that is? They all have red in them already. Just think about an astrologer who is risking his life studying heliocentrism, in the 18th CE. Copernicus is just the last in the line, there's many who came before him and lost their heads simply because of researching something considered heresy. They show immense grit for pursuit of truth. All of these are expressions of red

But if they already have red in them, why the talk of integration at all? think about it. 

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Something Important: Spiral Dynamics is false. It's not true that blue is higher than red or red is lower than yellow. It's a false notion. And climbing up the spiral is a fallacy. Because there is no up and down. Spiral Dynamics is at best "map fragments which are drawn by a kid", you won't get a complete map by putting it together, human nature is something which cannot be mapped, it's complexity, you can't reduce it through maps, this structure doesn't allow for maps(Imagine trying to map 4D using 1D logic). But the reason we can predict large groups using spiral dynamics is, because of standardization/industrialization and a myriad of other reasons, humans are not human anymore. This is the reason why Spiral Dynamics is very effective for West. 

Edited August 29 by ryoko

[Porphyry Fedotov]

Hm, when I say integration, I’m talking about making myself more conscious of the layer of Red, instead of leaving it as something shadowy or reactive.  Which it was, and I was avoiding it. And of course, I don't think that at I'm at pure green according to this model, which is impossible. Maybe if I were more green I'd have found different methods to express Red - but they aren't as fun as boxing, I think. However, I saw a lot of green folk learning Maui Tai in Thailand for similar reasons tho
 

23 minutes ago, ryoko said:

But if they already have red in them, why the talk of integration at all? It's to strengthen your current stage

To work it through consciously, exhaust it, and move past instead of letting it sit in the shadow. That way, it gets integrated and transcended at the same time
I was asking more not about how someone would express Red, but how one would integrate it. Integration is when you choose to do it consciously for self-development

[Nivsch]

When in daily life do you feel anger but hide it and not express it in a constructive way?

Do you please others at the expense of your priorities?

Are you sometimes afraid to tell your opinions or values to not get dragged into arguments?

Is there any kind of sport you know you really want to do but have not found the time for it yet?

Edited August 29 by Nivsch

[Porphyry Fedotov]

11 hours ago, Nivsch said:

When in daily life do you feel anger but hide it and not express it in a constructive way?

Do you please others at the expense of your priorities?

Are you sometimes afraid to tell your opinions or values to not get dragged into arguments?

Is there any kind of sport you know you really want to do but have not found the time for it yet?

Yeah, that's what I'm working through. I used to be a mild people pleaser (but at the same time, I used to constantly get into arguments about politics with my libertarian right-wing friend, which was driving me nuts lol), but I slowly got it out of my system.
Like these days, my priorities are only what matters

Speaking of sports, it's a box for me. I always wanted to go into martial arts, but thought it was either too late or too much for me.
Essentially, I'm trying to do things that cause me to feel fear, cringe or judgment
Also, what do you mean by expressing anger constructively?

[koops]

Wrote this 2 years ago:
 

 

 

[Porphyry Fedotov]

@koops Interesting, thanks

[carterfelder]

By supporting Trump.

[Porphyry Fedotov]

26 minutes ago, carterfelder said:

By supporting Trump.

Bro I'm trying to evolve here, not devolve

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Learn how to fight by taking lessons. 

Go on your phone's GPS and try to find the nearest MMA/wrestling/boxing/kickboxing gym.

[LordFall]

I think stage red can be summarized by the domination of your enemies. It doesn't have to be physical, it can be conceptual. It explains why progressive, hippies and stage green people are so ineffective in the world. They end up themselves being dominated by their enemies even if they're higher consciousness lol. A true stage yellow movement would be able to counter such a phenomenon. 

[Basman]

Understand that human nature is fundamentally animalistic and selfish and set the standard that you will survive on your own terms. Accept that your selfish and decide that no one gets to define you but yourself. Value yourself. Develop strength and adaptability. Take pride in destroying your enemies and conquering aspects of your life because it means that your on the up. Assume that you and only you are in charge of your life. Rage at life.

There's a great joy in stage red because it makes you feel alive. You are physically manifested in your body. Your here, materialized and impacting.

Edited September 2 by Basman

[Basman]

I think since greenies tend to be spoiled and priviliged, they lack the requisite experience of struggle and weakness. You need to appreciate struggle in order to really want to/need to be strong. 

Edited September 2 by Basman