Somatic energetic experiences

[PurpleTree]

33 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

High cholesterol: the ultimate frontier of awakening.

Seriously, though, I'd avoid falling into spiritual fantasy. One's preferences and beliefs shouldn't be mixed with an assessment of bodily states or such phenomena. They should be dealt with on their own terms, without a spiritual "filter" adding unnecesary interpretations. Your body already works without your self, so to speak. But what you do with your mind does influence your body. So, paying attention to that is in order. If a belief helps you calm down, for example, then that is beneficial and there's no reason to discard it as long as it is recognized for what it is. As @Princess Arabia said, you might want to check with a qualified health professional.

Ok so you know nothing about this stuff but thanks for taking your time to answer.

[PurpleTree]

 

[UnbornTao]

25 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Ok so you know nothing about this stuff but thanks for taking your time to answer.

I'm saying that what's true is already true, so the changes in your body would have to be assessed as something distinct from that. Without the fantastical thinking behind it, the reality of it would be much more grounded and real. Really, you're going to try to fit the image you have of awakening into various phenomena, but it just isn't true. Enlightenment isn't an experience nor is it perceived.

Was Ramana less enlightened when he had cancer? Or after he died? Did the changes in his body throughout the years influence his enlightenment or viceversa? The questions are irrelevant. It is not a relative matter. What is your self, and what is the body? Ask yourself that.

Not saying that there's nothing of value in these things, because there is, but it is a different domain.

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[PurpleTree]

6 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

I'm saying that what's true is already true, so the changes in your body would have to be assessed as something distinct from that. Really, you're going to try to fit the image of awakening into various phenomena, but those may be side effects. Again, you might brought up psychedelics, but again, these are about experience.

Was Ramana less enlightened when he had cancer? Or after he died? The questions are irrelevant when it comes to the absolute.

Not saying that there's nothing of value in these things, because there is, but it is a different domain.

Just admit you know nothing about it it’s fine. 😹 

[UnbornTao]

10 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Just admit you know nothing about it it’s fine. 😹 

I'm clear on the distinction mentioned above.

You want to feel validated, but a state is a state; consciousness is prior to the body, as if. The possible side effects awakening may have on you are, well, side effects. They are not the consciousness itself, but rather a function of the depth of realization and how your mind relates to that increased consciousness. This seems to vary on a case-by-case basis.

You are already inherently selfless - how about that?

Don't confuse healing or transformation with awakening. These are different pursuits.

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[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

I'm clear on the distinction mentioned above.

You want to feel validated, but a state is a state; consciousness is prior to the body. And the possible side-effects awakening may have on you are, well, side-effects, and not the consciousness itself. 

You already are selfless - how's that?

Don't confuse healing or transformation with awakening. These are different pursuits.

I was also asking if there’s a better way to deal with that contradiction than to feel into it.

I basically made this thread because @Razard86 told me i should ask him about the energetic shifts and so on. But he is nowhere to be found also.

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[UnbornTao]

4 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I was also asking if there’s a better way to deal with that contradiction than to feel into it.

I basically made this thread because @Razard86 told me i should ask him about the energetic shifts and so on. But he is nowhere to be found also.

OK. I suspect resisting it won't help, so might as well embrace it and ask what it is made out of. It is possible your mind might be contributing to that in some minor or major ways, too.

But again, you might want to consult with a doctor.

[PurpleTree]

Just now, UnbornTao said:

But again, you might want to consult with a doctor.

Bruh you sound like a broken record.

Anyway thanks and peace.

[theleelajoker]

@PurpleTree 

IMO @UnbornTaohas some valid points.

I thought about the same regarding my experiences (health / nervous system check).

I see at as different hmm...let's call it layers of physical reality that can be seen distinct, but also together and integrated.

So what I mean by that:

In deep meditation, or on psycedelics, I can access bodily sensations that are normally beyond my threshold of perception. So for instance, at the end of my last two Vipassana retreats, I perceived vibrations inside my body.

Or when focusing on the chest, now months later, there is a feeling beyond flesh, skin, bones and muscle. Equally, when high (weed or mushrooms e.g.) I can feel something that is beyond muscle tension, beyond "normal physical sensation as I knew them before Vipassana, let's call it energy. 

BUT: even if it's energy, or vibrating matter my body is made of - it's still muscles, and flesh and nerves, and skin and cells, and whole nervous system that operates my organism. 

It's just that the "vibrating matter/ energy perception" increasingly becomes conscious, so that the two layers became more interconnected. 

So there's maybe something I can do on the surface level - treat it like I would have treated it 10 years ago before I got into psycedelics, meditation, spirituality etc. I would have gone to the doctor and asked "can you please check"? Who knows what helpful stuff comes out of that?

Same time, knowing that there's a deeper layer, I experiment with meditation, attention, psychedelics to see what I can do there.

It's not about one or the other for me but about integration and combination.

So I think there's value in not seeing everything through spiritual POV only, and trying to fit it all in one perspective. And this is how I understand the message of @UnbornTao

 

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

 @UnbornTao

 

Ok well i’m glad you liked his message.

[UnbornTao]

@PurpleTree Common sense is still useful.

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

@PurpleTree Common sense is still useful.

Well maybe this thread kind of seemingly proved (imo)

that nobody here has deeper insights on these matters. Nobody has spiritual "authority" No ones even really worth listening to. Nobody knows what they are talking about really. Which i guess probably still had hopes for some real guidance. But there isn’t any. And it’s good that those hopes got destroyed. So now i can go it alone. 🦭

 

(there wasn’t anything to get anywhere anyway and nobody to get it)

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[Princess Arabia]

4 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Just admit you know nothing about it it’s fine. 😹 

You shouldn't be opening up posts asking for advice and insulting the advisors. If you're not hearing what you want to hear, you say the person doesn't know anything. You want to force the body into your spiritual charades but I can assure you it's not interested. It will act up. The body is designed to survive and reproduce, not for spiritual fantasies. 

[PurpleTree]

5 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

You shouldn't be opening up posts asking for advice and insulting the advisors. If you're not hearing what you want to hear, you say the person doesn't know anything. You want to force the body into your spiritual charades but I can assure you it's not interested. It will act up. The body is designed to survive and reproduce, not for spiritual fantasies. 

Didn’t you say i don’t have free will?

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

Well maybe this thread kind of seemingly proved (imo)

that nobody here has deeper insights on these matters. Nobody has spiritual "authority" No ones even really worth listening to. Nobody knows what they are talking about really. Which i guess probably still had hopes for some real guidance. But there isn’t any. And it’s good that those hopes got destroyed. So now i can go it alone. 🦭

 

(there wasn’t anything to get anywhere anyway and nobody to get it)

Why would you react like that? It's fine either way. You may still find someone who's going through something similar, provided it is diagnosed or assessed accurately. Physiology tends to be a very grounded subject, as far as I can tell. 

The point is that if you have appendicitis - as an example - you go to the hospital (to get your appendix removed), not to a Reiki healer.

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[PurpleTree]

23 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

 similar

Sure similar experiences can happen.

[UnbornTao]

I mean, by all means contribute whatever you guys think is useful.

Edited August 29 by UnbornTao

[Sugarcoat]

Could you describe more mentally how those “less self states” are, how do you know it’s less self?

I have experienced energies in my body, but they’ve never had a negative effect on the body, quite the opposite , it has felt freeing and like it’s “cleansing”. I’m guessing that’s usually the trend if you are releasing something stored. If it has a negative effect; might be possible but might be something else

Edited August 29 by Sugarcoat

[PurpleTree]

36 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Could you describe more mentally how those “less self states” are, how do you know it’s less self?

I have experienced energies in my body, but they’ve never had a negative effect on the body, quite the opposite , it has felt freeing and like it’s “cleansing”. I’m guessing that’s usually the trend if you are releasing something stored. If it has a negative effect; might be possible but might be something else

Well obviously it’s very hard or impossible to describe.

Everything seems immediate and kind of empty. The colours and visuals are quite crisp. It feels a bit like on low dose psychedelics maybe. And quite energetic also sometimes. Time is hard to tell. Spacious. Things like walking etc. are just kind of happening by itself. Or whatever it’s not a great attempt at explaining it.

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[PurpleTree]

18 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Well obviously it’s very hard or impossible to describe.

Everything seems immediate and kind of empty. The colours and visuals are quite crisp. It feels a bit like on low dose psychedelics maybe. And quite energetic also sometimes. Time is hard to tell. Spacious. Things like walking etc. are just kind of happening by itself. Or whatever it’s not a great attempt at explaining it.

Basically just what is. No future and past really. And no stories. But the visuals feel extra crisp sometimes. And feels wuite light. A bit floaty. Aside fron those contractions.

Edited August 29 by PurpleTree