Somatic energetic experiences

[PurpleTree]

So i have a question with who ever has experience with this.

 

So seemingly when these, let’s call them

”Less Self States” happen.

There seems to be an energetic  kind of around the heart/ribs. Strongest in the centre but also lungs.

And often i almost kind of forget to breathe and get dizzy.

And when i put my focus on breathing in these let’s call them "states”. It’s quite hard to breathe. As it seems contracted. And this happened for months now.

[PurpleTree]

What confuses me about that tension/contraction

is that otherwise these “Less Self States” feel very free. So it should be easier breathing.

But then this contradiction comes up.

 

 

@Razard86 thoughts?

[Princess Arabia]

Time to see the doctor. That's what that means and lay off them strudels.😜

[PurpleTree]

37 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Time to see the doctor. That's what that means and lay off them strudels.😜

That’s what you eat. Strudel with lavender oil and chia seeds.

[PurpleTree]

Gosh the energetics are a bit crazy right now in my buddha stud bod nahmean?

Could be Kundalini or lactose intolerance.

[theleelajoker]

2 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

So i have a question with who ever has experience with this.

 

So seemingly when these, let’s call them

”Less Self States” happen.

There seems to be an energetic  kind of around the heart/ribs. Strongest in the centre but also lungs.

And often i almost kind of forget to breathe and get dizzy.

And when i put my focus on breathing in these let’s call them "states”. It’s quite hard to breathe. As it seems contracted. And this happened for months now.

Hmm not exactly the same, but some stuff in this direction. 

Strong feeling in the chest, yes. Dizzy, yes. Up to the point that I couldn't move and when I moved I almost cracked my skull falling down lol. Lucky there was a wall saving me. 

Breath yes. For me it sometimes is like a very short, flat, panic breath. 

Less self states, yes. But it's not always that it's connected to the symptoms above in a timely order. Can happen with time between, sometimes a bit random I guess?

My sister once said something when I talked about the feeling of dissolving, becoming "free".  She said "yeah well but your body is holding you here". 

So that might be sth like a "inner conflict", body and mind, contraction and freedom.

Don't know my self just guessing 

 

[PurpleTree]

Just now, theleelajoker said:

Hmm not exactly the same, but some stuff in this direction. 

Strong feeling in the chest, yes. Dizzy, yes. Up to the point that I couldn't move and when I moved I almost cracked my skull falling down lol. Lucky there was a wall saving me. 

Breath yes. For me it sometimes is like a very short, flat, panic breath. 

Less self states, yes. But it's not always that it's connected to the symptoms above in a timely order. Can happen with time between, sometimes a bit random I guess?

My sister once said something when I talked about the feeling of dissolving, becoming "free".  She said "yeah well but your body is holding you here". 

So that might be sth like a "inner conflict", body and mind, contraction and freedom.

Don't know my self just guessing 

 

Yea no it’s good stuff.

Right now It feels a bit unhinged. And then maybe resistance to dissolving or resistance to being too unhinged.

And this often seemingly happens in the past few months.

But it just so happens that i made this thread so now i can report on it.

 

[PurpleTree]

It’s funny because when i don’t ask for advice then many of you guys just give unsolicited advice which just kind of annoys me.

But now i’m asking for advice and nobody is to be found 😆 

Anyhow funny stuff

 

[Princess Arabia]

29 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

It’s funny because when i don’t ask for advice then many of you guys just give unsolicited advice which just kind of annoys me.

But now i’m asking for advice and nobody is to be found 😆 

Anyhow funny stuff

 

It's the title of the thread and the wordings in the content. Not too many would put two and two together. You're explain health issues and correlating it with somatic energetic experience. Not much advice to be given there.

The body isn't fond of our spiritual exercises because it's not natural to it, so it's only natural it's going to react and get thrown off balance. Except for a few like maybe yoga and certain kinds of meditations. 

Edited August 27 by Princess Arabia

[PurpleTree]

15 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

It's the title of the thread and the wordings in the content. Not too many would put two and two together. You're explain health issues and correlating it with somatic energetic experience. Not much advice to be given there.

The body isn't fond of our spiritual exercises because it's not natural to it, so it's only natural it's going to react and get thrown off balance. Except for a few like maybe yoga and certain kinds of meditations. 

Let’s agree to disagree.

[PurpleTree]

My other question is actually is there there a better way to deal with the contraction than to just feel into it.

 

[theleelajoker]

5 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

My other question is actually is there there a better way to deal with the contraction than to just feel into it.

 

Great question. My POV - as of now - is to go deeper into it, but at calm pace.

Stretch, move, work out, relax, cry, laugh, sauna, meditate, talk about it. Interact. Focus attention equally outwards and inwards. 

It was a overwhelming for me at first to go directly at those somatic stuff with my attention. That's why I say calm pace.

So it's like when you meet a woman. Even if you feel it's right, and she's the woman of your life, you don't say "marry me let's have kids" on the first date. You say "was nice seeing you, let's go to the cinema next week?" Or whatever, be gentle.  You might even say 'was nice if you want to meet again give a call I'm open to it". You get my point I guess.

Psylocibin was / is VERY useful at calming down, setting a state where its easier to  experience the somatic stuff. Not a "solves it all" but a great step in good direction. 

But as I said, new territory for me so can't say I "know" what's best. But whatever and however I do it inside my body, outer reality reflects it almost immediately. 

Have fun exploring! 

[PurpleTree]

5 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Great question. My POV - as of now - is to go deeper into it, but at calm pace.

Stretch, move, work out, relax, cry, laugh, sauna, meditate, talk about it. Interact. Focus attention equally outwards and inwards. 

It was a overwhelming for me at first to go directly at those somatic stuff with my attention. That's why I say calm pace.

So it's like when you meet a woman. Even if you feel it's right, and she's the woman of your life, you don't say "marry me let's have kids" on the first date. You say "was nice seeing you, let's go to the cinema next week?" Or whatever, be gentle.  You might even say 'was nice if you want to meet again give a call I'm open to it". You get my point I guess.

Psylocibin was / is VERY useful at calming down, setting a state where its easier to  experience the somatic stuff. Not a "solves it all" but a great step in good direction. 

But as I said, new territory for me so can't say I "know" what's best. But whatever and however I do it inside my body, outer reality reflects it almost immediately. 

Have fun exploring! 

Well i’ve been feeling into it for months now that’s why i ask.

 

Psylocibin for me causes more anxiety than relaxation even at small doses. At least it did when i tried it. But yea i had some nice god experiences on psylocibin.

Do you know Angelo from Simply always awake? I think i have to get on one of those zoom talks and ask him. He seemingly knows a lot about this somatic energetic stuff.

[theleelajoker]

9 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Well i’ve been feeling into it for months now that’s why i ask.

 

Psylocibin for me causes more anxiety than relaxation even at small doses. At least it did when i tried it. But yea i had some nice god experiences on psylocibin.

Do you know Angelo from Simply always awake? I think i have to get on one of those zoom talks and ask him. He seemingly knows a lot about this somatic energetic stuff.

Feeling it since April, and especially since May when it got much stronger. So I get you re this. 

Re Psylocibin, it's certainly individual. Maybe it's a different substance for you that helps, maybe none is the best. 

Don't really know about Angelo. Have seen a video once I guess?

Also, not sure if the experiences can be transferred from one individual to another. Your experience with psylocibin seems very different to mine for instance. Maybe it's useful to hear what he's saying, but for me it feels like a message of "find our yourself what you need, feel yourself, find ways to manage your body, find ways to make the best of this experience, don't look too much outside for advice but listen to your own organism".  Might be I am wrong and outside advice helps and I am making up a story of "need to do it on my own", but that's how I perceive it right now. 

[PurpleTree]

9 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Feeling it since April, and especially since May when it got much stronger. So I get you re this. 

Re Psylocibin, it's certainly individual. Maybe it's a different substance for you that helps, maybe none is the best. 

Don't really know about Angelo. Have seen a video once I guess?

Also, not sure if the experiences can be transferred from one individual to another. Your experience with psylocibin seems very different to mine for instance. Maybe it's useful to hear what he's saying, but for me it feels like a message of "find our yourself what you need, feel yourself, find ways to manage your body, find ways to make the best of this experience, don't look too much outside for advice but listen to your own organism".  Might be I am wrong and outside advice helps and I am making up a story of "need to do it on my own", but that's how I perceive it right now. 

The thing is someone like Angelo worked with so many "people" through these experiences in retreats etc. So he has a big sample size to get the gist right-ish. There are factors like trauma and so on. I was hoping maybe some of the forum also have a big sample size. 

[theleelajoker]

10 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

The thing is someone like Angelo worked with so many "people" through these experiences in retreats etc. So he has a big sample size to get the gist right-ish. There are factors like trauma and so on. I was hoping maybe some of the forum also have a big sample size. 

Yes... but also, he's a projection/ reflection. 

You put "people" in quotes, so I guess you know what I mean.

Whatever you (or me) discuss with him, it's happening in our field of awareness and it's ultimately a reflection of you/me. 

This road of "others" feels increasingly like a dead end to me. I could be wrong oc. No harm in trying.

Edited August 27 by theleelajoker

[Salariatu]

4 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

So i have a question with who ever has experience with this.

 

So seemingly when these, let’s call them

”Less Self States” happen.

There seems to be an energetic  kind of around the heart/ribs. Strongest in the centre but also lungs.

And often i almost kind of forget to breathe and get dizzy.

And when i put my focus on breathing in these let’s call them "states”. It’s quite hard to breathe. As it seems contracted. And this happened for months now.

What is ahappening to you is when you feel less self states is the society collective ego that tries to trick you and make for you spiritual eperiences about the self. Remember, everything is about the self and no others, love also, there is no love outside yourself and yourself is not other humans. 

[Hojo]

Kundalini is like there is a rock at the bottom of your energy level and you lift the rock off and energy shoots up your body. Its like a built in anti slavery device. You basically shit on your self your entire life and then you reach 0 self identity and then something happens and you burst through your energy as God. Take up your cross everything is your fault.

Edited August 27 by Hojo

[theleelajoker]

12 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

My other question is actually is there there a better way to deal with the contraction than to just feel into it.

 

Ok just remembered one thing that might be helpful.

Sometimes when I have these body experiences, then certain muscles in my body start to shake. I had this also a few times INTENSELY after Adhitthana sittings in Vipassana in my jaw. The shaking was very strong. I thought I break my teeth if I let go completely, so I put my mouthpiece in to keep my teeth intact. Shaking went typically on for MINUTES.

So what I do is that I try to find movements, or stillness, or mix of it, simply listening to my body and trying my best to align the energy, contractions, flows whatever to induce this shaking. Now it's more in the back of my head for instance, where the end of spine goes into the skull 

The reason why I do that is that I read that this is how the body clears traumatic leftovers, tensions blockage etc in muscles/ cells. Animals do it, and there is a whole therapeutic method to create this shakes. 

So it's a bit more than "just letting it happen" it's a gentle guidance. When you experience these shakes, and you know t how to create them, I would give it a try. Sometimes it's less a shake and more a camping, or stronger flexing of muscles. Also good IME.

Edited August 28 by theleelajoker

[UnbornTao]

High cholesterol: the ultimate frontier of awakening.

Seriously, though, I'd avoid falling into spiritual fantasy. One's preferences and beliefs shouldn't be mixed with an assessment of bodily states or such phenomena. They should be dealt with on their own terms, without a spiritual "filter" adding unnecesary interpretations. Your body already works without your self, so to speak. But what you do with your mind does influence your body. So, paying attention to that is in order. If a belief helps you calm down, for example, then that is beneficial and there's no reason to discard it as long as it is recognized for what it is. As @Princess Arabia said, you might want to check with a qualified health professional.

Edited August 28 by UnbornTao