Sitting on benches and under trees

[Sugarcoat]

10 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

@Sugarcoat Earnestly doing the exercise can provide you with a new perspective.

Sure, what you said resonates. If a more gradual process helps, it's worth a shot.

By the way, owning your internal state and reactions doesn't mean you're responsible for everything that happens to you; it just means you're taking that stance toward life. Nor does it automatically mean you're suddenly aware of every aspect of your experience - your drives, motivations, fears, and so on.

Let's say there are two aspects to you: what you actually are - prior to all conceptual machinations, and what you've crafted throughout life and now take to be yourself.

Openness is a principle, too. Just to be clear, I wouldn't confuse the idea of openness - or identifying yourself as open - with what the principle demands.

Anyhow, throw all this out when contemplating, whatever the question.

Ok we have some common ground

”it just means you’re taking that stance toward life”. Yea that was what I was thinking, that you favor that mindset partly because it feels empowering, and you don’t wanna feel like a victim 

What would you say the principle of openness demands? I think part of it is purifying your psyche of identifying with ideas, like how someone could be locked into a paradigm because it favors their identity 

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

Ok we have some common ground

”it just means you’re taking that stance toward life”. Yea that was what I was thinking, that you favor that mindset partly because it feels empowering, and you don’t wanna feel like a victim 

What would you say the principle of openness demands? I think part of it is purifying your psyche of identifying with ideas, like how someone could be locked into a paradigm because it favors their identity 

Essentially, I'd say it's about recognizing that we don't consciously experience the nature of anything. It includes holding the possibility in one's mind that there might be truths beyond what we currently know or can know. From that, setting out to discover things can occur. Also, dispelling beliefs and recognizing assumptions. Something along those lines.

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, UnbornTao said:

Essentially, I'd say it's about recognizing that we don't consciously experience the nature of anything. It includes holding the possibility in one's mind that there might be truths beyond what we currently know or can know. From that, setting out to discover things can occur. Also, dispelling beliefs and recognizing assumptions. Something along those lines.

I’m with you except I’ll just ask about that first sentence. Do you mean that we (the self) is like a veil on pure perception or that perception itself is a filter for reality? So from human pov we can’t access pure reality? If you don’t mind

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

I’m with you except I’ll just ask about that first sentence. Do you mean that we (the self) is like a veil on pure perception or that perception itself is a filter for reality? So from human pov we can’t access pure reality? If you don’t mind

Hey, you're obsessed with you(rself). But who isn't?

That could be a koan!

Perception itself is an indirect process. I'm not so sure about calling it a filter - interpretation would be a better fit for that. Perception is more like an intermediary, metaphorically speaking. But you tell me. 

We could postulate that whatever we hold to be pure reality isn't a point of view, but the very thing itself, its nature.

And we can, as a matter of consciousness. 

Edited August 31 by UnbornTao

[Sugarcoat]

7 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Hey, you're obsessed with you(rself). But who isn't?

That could be a koan!

Perception itself is an indirect process. I'm not so sure about calling it a filter - interpretation would be a better fit for that. Perception is more like an intermediary, metaphorically speaking. But you tell me. 

We could postulate that whatever we hold to be pure reality isn't a point of view, but the very thing itself, its nature.

And we can, as a matter of consciousness. 

I know I am extra obsessed hehe

I’d say in this current state I’m in I can’t know if I’m truly grasping/experiencing something exactly how it is

[UnbornTao]

@Sugarcoat Sounds good. I'd just pin down the subject being addressed. Hold it in mind while remaining open - free of bias and presumption.

So, when it comes to yourself, who is that?

And then you set out to discover the truth about it.

Edited September 1 by UnbornTao

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

@Sugarcoat Good. I'd just clarify my subject as much as possible and keep it in mind while staying open.

Ok 👍🏻😎

[PurpleTree]

I’m sitting on a benchy, sitting on a benchy

I’m in the south of France but i am not a frenchie

I’m sitting on a benchy, sitting on a benchy

I’m super fresh and clean and your mama is a stenchy

Sitting on a benchy, sitting on a benchy

I’m a proper God like Krishna, you’re a proper dog like Benjy

 

 

heyy sing with me now

Edited September 8 by PurpleTree

[Carl-Richard]

@PurpleTree

Why so many benches? Where are the bench press pics?

[PurpleTree]

7 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

@PurpleTree

Why so many benches? Where are the bench press pics?

I used to do that but now i outgrew it.

Maybe you’ll outgrow it too when you get more proper conscious, you know what i mean?

[Carl-Richard]

5 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I used to do that but now i outgrew it.

Maybe you’ll outgrow it too when you get more proper conscious, you know what i mean?

I used to sit more on benches before, now I do more bench press 🤔

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I used to sit more on benches before, now I do more bench press 🤔

Well maybe if this body didn’t have this auto immune thing i’d also press more benches you know what i mean?

[UnbornTao]

Ramana could have used some bench press. Still: 

[PurpleTree]

13 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Ramana could have used some bench press. Still: 

Leo, Jim Newman and Eckhart Tolle are weak-ish too you know what i mean? See the pattern?

[UnbornTao]

11 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Leo, Jim Newman and Eckhart Tolle are weak-ish too you know what i mean? See the pattern?

It was a joke; I'm skinny myself.

There's no reason an enlightened guy couldn't be physically strong, though. Jesus might even have been ripped.

[PurpleTree]

Yo a minute ago i was laying on this medieval wall of an ancient church in France looking at the stars and the jesus and maria statue. 
 

It wasn’t a benchy but almost.

So then this young french lad came and offered me his unopened drink. And i refused but thought it’s so lovely what a nice young lad.

But then i thought he wanted to give it to me because he thought i‘m a homeless guy laying there trying to sleep or something lol funny.

Anyway bless this french lad lord.

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

The Experience of the Bench

[PurpleTree]

4 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

The Experience of the Bench

I‘m sitting on a french bench right now staring at a castle, listening to this

https://on.soundcloud.com/Yv4AYFx2UzLeijBPGf

 

that‘s what i call my benchy experience

[PurpleTree]

this is nice too