So India and the US huh?

[PurpleTree]

So seemingly they had something going a little romance or something.

And it was part of US opposition to China in Asia with Japan, Australia etc.

India is a "democracy"

But India likes Russian gas and Russian weapons. Because It’s cheap and because Russia was with them when the west wasn’t.

And Russia likes to attack Ukraine, killing women children (and men too)

A US politician said they are basically "laundering“ Russian oil and sell it back to the market.

So anywho. Trump the orange 🍊. He likes tariffs. He put very high tariffs on my country actually.

And he put high tariffs on India. 

So India is moving back closer to its frenemy China and closer to BrICS.

wild huh?

[PurpleTree]

So where do we go from here?

Is Apple still going to produce their iphones in India etc?

[Elliott]

Americans won't be able to afford any iPhone before long, so it doesn't really matter.

"Key Takeaways. The value of the U.S. dollar against other currencies dropped about 11% in the first half of this year, the biggest decline in more than 50 years, ending a 15-year bull cycle.Aug 6, 2025"

https://www.morganstanley.com

Devaluation of the U.S. Dollar 2025 | Morgan Stanley

Edited August 26 by Elliott

[PurpleTree]

 

[Elliott]

11 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

 

I'm not sure why he didn't mention India E.U. relations., golden opportunity. 

[PurpleTree]

3 minutes ago, Elliott said:

I'm not sure why he didn't mention India E.U. relations., golden opportunity. 

Probably because he’s an American.

[Ajay0]

17 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

So seemingly they had something going a little romance or something.

And it was part of US opposition to China in Asia with Japan, Australia etc.

India is a "democracy"

India is the world's largest democracy for a half century and more.

However India and the west were at odds with each other due to India's leadership in the non-aligned movement, liberation of Goa from western colonialism in 1961, and the west's backing of the military dictatorship in Pakistan against India in previous wars.

The non-aligned movement was created to develop a buffer space between the us and soviet blocs , and prevent conflict that could lead to a nuclear war and holocaust wiping out the western and Russian blocs. A neutral position could provide dispassionate analysis and narratives that could defuse the bad blood and hatred between the blocs, leading to reasonable and measured responses. 

After India liberalized its economy in 1991, opening the world's second largest market to investments, relations between the west and India rose up.  Indian women started suddenly winning consistently beauty competitions of Miss World and Miss Universe sponsored by western cosmetic companies.

With the rise of China to superpower status, the west suddenly discovered India as the world's largest democracy, praised and embraced it eagerly.

9/11 and the present religious wars between the west and Islamic terrorists also found common ground with India.

India has the second largest army on earth and is ranked fourth in military rankings, so they wanted to create a military alliance with it to take on China and Islamic militancy. 

India is also the world's fourth largest economy in the world and have also provided around a half trillion dollars in credit to the US considering the US external debt which crossed 37 trillion dollars recently. Europe similarly has large debts which has been a cause of major concern.

India's status as the fastest growing economy in the world, also obviously  mean a larger market, better and stronger armies, navy and air force and better investment in military technology and in research and development at present and in the near future.

However the equation became unstable when they wanted India to take on China, Islamic militancy and also Russia ignoring India's strategic realities as Russia is an important strategic partner of India as well, especially in military  weaonry, technology and valuable source of economic resources. Politically it has supported India's position in various issues in the past when the west was detrimental to the same.

Russia is in India's immediate neighborhood while the Europeans are far away and the Americans on the other side of the globe. So it does not make any strategic sense for India to offend and make an enemy of the Russians as well.

[Elliott]

5 hours ago, Ajay0 said:

India is the world's largest democracy for a half century and more.

However India and the west were at odds with each other due to India's leadership in the non-aligned movement, liberation of Goa from western colonialism in 1961, and the west's backing of the military dictatorship in Pakistan against India in previous wars.

The non-aligned movement was created to develop a buffer space between the us and soviet blocs , and prevent conflict that could lead to a nuclear war and holocaust wiping out the western and Russian blocs. A neutral position could provide dispassionate analysis and narratives that could defuse the bad blood and hatred between the blocs, leading to reasonable and measured responses. 

After India liberalized its economy in 1991, opening the world's second largest market to investments, relations between the west and India rose up.  Indian women started suddenly winning consistently beauty competitions of Miss World and Miss Universe sponsored by western cosmetic companies.

With the rise of China to superpower status, the west suddenly discovered India as the world's largest democracy, praised and embraced it eagerly.

9/11 and the present religious wars between the west and Islamic terrorists also found common ground with India.

India has the second largest army on earth and is ranked fourth in military rankings, so they wanted to create a military alliance with it to take on China and Islamic militancy. 

India is also the world's fourth largest economy in the world and have also provided around a half trillion dollars in credit to the US considering the US external debt which crossed 37 trillion dollars recently. Europe similarly has large debts which has been a cause of major concern.

India's status as the fastest growing economy in the world, also obviously  mean a larger market, better and stronger armies, navy and air force and better investment in military technology and in research and development at present and in the near future.

However the equation became unstable when they wanted India to take on China, Islamic militancy and also Russia ignoring India's strategic realities as Russia is an important strategic partner of India as well, especially in military  weaonry, technology and valuable source of economic resources. Politically it has supported India's position in various issues in the past when the west was detrimental to the same.

Russia is in India's immediate neighborhood while the Europeans are far away and the Americans on the other side of the globe. So it does not make any strategic sense for India to offend and make an enemy of the Russians as well.

This points out the pressure for standing by Israel, control over the trade route between Asia and Europe.

[PurpleTree]

Gosh

Modi is ignoring Trumps phone calls 

like @UnbornTao is ignoring my questions about enlightenment 

 

 

[BlueOak]

BRICS and NATO are moving and positioning as if in a larger strategic war.

That's why:

• Trump is moving to Venezuela to hit it. Useful idiots on the left for BRICS don't understand the overall strategy (Trump probably doesn't either). This gives it a military presence near Brazil but also takes out the most vocal ally of BRICS in South America, it's been wanting to join over and over, but Brazil have refused it so far.
• North Korea is in Russia, and probing South Korea's borders.
• Israel is hitting its surrounding enemies.
• China is about to invade Taiwan and keeps stealing military tech.
• Russia is pressuring Eastern Europe with invasion and fighting in Ukraine.
• NATO is moving to 5% military.
• Iran has been pressuring shipping
• BRICS have been pressuring western democracies internally with far-right groups.
• India has picked a side; they are providing not just financial but also material support for Russia's weapon construction (indirectly or directly), as are China, only China also provide direct soft material goods, North Korea shells, and Iran missiles.

Etc.

I advocate for focusing on the region but also state now that this is NATO vs BRICS. It's a cold war with hot war flashpoints. I'll consider it WW3 if and when NATO directly engages BRICS in a hot war, at the moment this is what a cold war looks like. The country that will decide when that happens is China, because Russia is not going into Europe without their say so, probably as a prelude to Taiwan.

People still fail to grasp that Russia can fight NATO if all these other countries are also. It'll lose because it'll be a proxy, but it can; it recently threatened Estonia with a false flag, its second false flag. Now it's just threatened a US carrier group with a sub.

 

Edited August 28 by BlueOak

[Ajay0]

1 hour ago, BlueOak said:

Trump is moving to Venezuela to hit it. Useful idiots on the left for BRICS don't understand the overall strategy (Trump probably doesn't either). This gives it a military presence near Brazil but also takes out the most vocal ally of BRICS in South America, it's been wanting to join over and over, but Brazil have refused it so far.

 

 The US has a long history of threatening and topping  democratic governments in latin america replacing them with brutal military dictatorships. 

It's present feud with the largest democracy in the world India, will also further damage its self-declared credentials as so-called champion of democratic values and human rights.

The nato-us population represents only around 10 per cent of the world population and constant warmongering due to poor decisionmaking will only result in further loss of face in the world. 

[BlueOak]

49 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

 

 The US has a long history of threatening and topping  democratic governments in latin america replacing them with brutal military dictatorships. 

It's present feud with the largest democracy in the world India, will also further damage its self-declared credentials as so-called champion of democratic values and human rights.

The nato-us population represents only around 10 per cent of the world population and constant warmongering due to poor decisionmaking will only result in further loss of face in the world. 

Oh the US is run by an aging self obsessed maniac, no doubt. Greedy oligarchs under the guise of democracy. Like Putin only dumber. But this particular choice wasn't his, he was led to it.

NATO didn't start this war. This was Russia backed by BRICS. If you think cowering away from aggressive nations will maintain an alliance dedicated to preserving its borders and states through a strong mutual defense, you are not thinking logically. And yes, we can talk about all the damage the US has done, and i'll agree with you all day.

This however, today, is a BRICS decision. They want the competition, they want the aggressive expansion of their nations borders. This is the result. 

 

[PurpleTree]

3 hours ago, BlueOak said:

Oh the US is run by an aging self obsessed maniac, no doubt. Greedy oligarchs under the guise of democracy. Like Putin only dumber. But this particular choice wasn't his, he was led to it.

NATO didn't start this war. This was Russia backed by BRICS. If you think cowering away from aggressive nations will maintain an alliance dedicated to preserving its borders and states through a strong mutual defense, you are not thinking logically. And yes, we can talk about all the damage the US has done, and i'll agree with you all day.

This however, today, is a BRICS decision. They want the competition, they want the aggressive expansion of their nations borders. This is the result. 

 

Yea with Trump putting all those tariffs on allies. All those middle eastern etc wars. Trying to grab Greenland. The US and Israel attacking the ICC and UN etc. I think most of Europe and some other Western countries had enough of the US (and Israel)

Edited August 28 by PurpleTree

[Ajay0]

2 hours ago, BlueOak said:

Oh the US is run by an aging self obsessed maniac, no doubt. Greedy oligarchs under the guise of democracy. Like Putin only dumber.

So you have stated the obvious that US is a plutocracy/oligarchy rather than a democracy . 

Why do you think such a regression has happened , and why did American democracy not evolve to the necessary levels of maturity !

 

[PurpleTree]

The US losing allies

sending spies to Greenland

sending marines to Venezuela 

 

[zazen]

4 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

The US losing allies

sending spies to Greenland

sending marines to Venezuela 

 

Nice share. This was also good - covering a lot of ground with a Birds Eye view :

And the following (minus the clickbait vibe)

 

Edited August 28 by zazen

[Elliott]

17 hours ago, BlueOak said:

BRICS and NATO are moving and positioning as if in a larger strategic war.

That's why:

• Trump is moving to Venezuela to hit it. Useful idiots on the left for BRICS don't understand the overall strategy (Trump probably doesn't either). This gives it a military presence near Brazil but also takes out the most vocal ally of BRICS in South America, it's been wanting to join over and over, but Brazil have refused it so far.
•  

Venezuela has the largest oil field in the world.

Edited August 28 by Elliott

[BlueOak]

6 hours ago, Elliott said:

Venezuela has the largest oil field in the world.

Yes. Wars have multiple reasons.

Its also not directly in BRICS but an ally of theirs and hostile to America. So its an easier target like Ukraine was, often for multiple reasons. And there is a fair chance Brazil won't intervene, as they don't put much legitimacy in the Venezuelan government.

Edited August 29 by BlueOak

[BlueOak]

19 hours ago, Ajay0 said:

So you have stated the obvious that US is a plutocracy/oligarchy rather than a democracy . 

Why do you think such a regression has happened , and why did American democracy not evolve to the necessary levels of maturity !

 

Liberalism is too susceptible to outside influence.

• Ongoing Eastern Alignment over 20 years. - Education, Media, Immigration, Trade, Direct takeover of western companies.
• BRICS meddling in European governance through funding extremism and direct foreign agents.
• Culture of Greed, money more easily changes America. (This is why these hostile wars are short-sighted from BRICS)
• Dual political system being easier to corrupt.: Enhanced by Rightwing populism and a Weak Leftwing status quo that just shifted and suppressed populism. (Played out across the population.)
• Spiritual teachers preaching rightwing values globally, from Christian through to Buddhist.I would name people like Sadhguru and teal for example, personally, but we could go all the way to the grassroots churches or temples across the globe. Church with state equals rightwing authoritarian values.
• Rise of China - India - Brazil as major players projecting their influence. The new reality is not one of global liberalism but suppressive authoritarianism. 
• Cold war fought over the internet. As Teal rightly says, this war is fought differently. Its here on the internet for hearts and minds. Russia, India and China are winning this. I find myself for example, facing 5 or 6 posters in my arguments on this forum. This is a micro of the macro going on.
• Restructuring of Gender's influence on society. As the masculine has adopted authoritarianism (an unstable outward expression of it) and feminism has adopted liberalism (an unstable inward expression of it). One is being pushed outward, resulting in these wars, and one is being suppressed inward, resulting in the suppression of the population or values it represents.

The above factors have led to a gradual reorganisation of the country, from the ground up. A gradual demonization of liberalism. If any of the four poles are demonized, the country suffers: Authoritarianism, liberalism, socialism, and capitalism, have to be in balance. Nobody seems to want to balance them but me. People will complain about one or maybe two being skewed, but I've never seen anyone else, ever in my entire life, try to advocate for their balance. - A start would be to see spiritual leaders start to advocate for this. *I will add Sevan Bomar used to advocate for balance in all things in life to be fair to him.

Also of course, to fight a world war, people need to be much more nationalist and far right. This is how a generation can be bred to fight a war or accept it.
 

Edited August 29 by BlueOak

[BlueOak]

Authoritarians being authoritarians.