So India and the US huh?

[Ishanga]

 

[BlueOak]

@Ishanga

Let's do some grounding here then.

India is a country that has too much population, its too over crowded, it has streets I wouldn't walk, let alone drive on, trains which look like they will fall to bits from the load, garbage it can't get rid of, and this is a pre full industrialisational phase. The garbage problem India is going to have if it ever achieves what this is man is talking about is monumental, and who is its market going to be?

It attacks a neighbouring nuclear power over small regions of dirt, rather than grant that region full independence, because authoritarian countries are incapable of considering the sovereignty of something smaller than them. i'ver heard plenty of people say, 'Pakistan should not exist' from India; it's all the same authoritarian imbalance in their decision making.

It's not a friend of Europe or America; it is financing Russia's war with material and economic support. I have no idea what he's even talking about now. Hopeful dreams, perhaps? There was a phase when companies were moving from China to India, but it's obvious where it's aligning and unsurprising given their history with Russia and geo location.

And BTW there a lot of things I respected about it too, such as temples feeding the poor, or its spiritual leaders, but it's harder to find that part of myself now with their course.
 

Edited August 29 by BlueOak

[Ishanga]

9 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

@Ishanga

Let's do some grounding here then.

India is a country that has too much population, its too over crowded, it has streets I wouldn't walk, let alone drive on, trains which look like they will fall to bits from the load, garbage it can't get rid of, and this is a pre full industrialisational phase. The garbage problem India is going to have if it ever achieves what this is man is talking about is monumental, and who is its market going to be?

It attacks a neighbouring nuclear power over small regions of dirt, rather than grant that region full independence, because authoritarian countries are incapable of considering the sovereignty of something smaller than them. i'ver heard plenty of people say, 'Pakistan should not exist' from India; it's all the same authoritarian imbalance in their decision making.

It's not a friend of Europe or America; it is financing Russia's war with material and economic support. I have no idea what he's even talking about now. Hopeful dreams, perhaps? There was a phase when companies were moving from China to India, but it's obvious where it's aligning and unsurprising given their history with Russia and geo location.

And BTW there a lot of things I respected about it too, such as temples feeding the poor, or its spiritual leaders, but it's harder to find that part of myself now with their course.
 

I'm not so familiar with Indian Politics and what is going on with Pakistan and such, just sayin...

For sure there is tons of ppl there, largest population in the world now, I think with our present day economic systems in place, the poor will get poorer, and the power players/elite will try their best to maintain their power base, this is what is happening everywhere not just in India, but I do believe if we really released the tech we have access too (free energy for one), and the elites lost their power, things there could greatly improve for the masses but that would take some time,

Its not a perfect system, they may be just doing what they have to do to maintain some sort of Peace or calmness within the society, from what I know of India its like an organized chaos there, whereas in the West it is just chaos, no organization at all, so India is a old, wise society overall, Yoga or Spirituality is built into their culture, ppl are doing things Spiritual that they don't realize is Spiritual, but the Western ways (anti Spiritual) have been taking over the culture over the years, ppl like Sadhguru are trying to stop this for his own country and the rest of the world...

India's relationship with Canada, my home country are not so good right now, that is mostly due to Canada not doing anything about Indian Separatist living here and promoting separation from India and them being labelled as Terrorist, if You come to Toronto or anywhere nowadays in Canada there are many Indian immigrants, great ppl, friendly but overwhelming the society for sure, I don't know if this a good thing or not!

[BlueOak]

14 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

if You come to Toronto or anywhere nowadays in Canada there are many Indian immigrants, great ppl, friendly but overwhelming the society for sure, I don't know if this a good thing or not!

For me, there is nothing better than having many cultures nearby, many types of people building a strong future under one country. I believe it brings the strengths of all races, cultures, and types of individuals and their perspectives or skills together, but I am in an increasing minority on that one. There are certainly challenges, and I think integration shouldn't ever stop at citizenship or some arbitrary test people take but be an ongoing adjustment to the existing values of the country you've chosen to move to.

When you say there are lots of Indian people clustered in one region, that to me is a failure of the system to encourage communities to be multicultural and multi-racial, as opposed to just getting someone in the country and leaving it at that; it seems short sighted. But everyone hates socialism, so none of its benefits are put into a solution.

In my world we'd all be under one world government, as a council system which had minimal global oversight level powers and local regional governance. Disputes would always arise and be either settled locally or enforced globally, in a sensible hierarchy, like the court system, with the best possible solution selected and gradually improved upon over time.

It seems to me nation-states, in the current authoritarain led world, do nothing more than give people excuses to go to war over KM's of dirt. (I know they bring social cohesion, purpose and identity, but it's difficult to respect or acknowledge, that with all the missiles flying about)

 

Edited August 29 by BlueOak

[Ishanga]

4 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

For me, there is nothing better than having many cultures nearby, many types of people building a strong future under one country. I believe it brings the strengths of all races, cultures, and types of individuals and their perspectives or skills together, but I am in an increasing minority on that one. There are certainly challenges, and I think integration shouldn't ever stop at citizenship or some arbitrary test people take but be an ongoing adjustment to the existing values of the country you've chosen to move to.

When you say there are lots of Indian people clustered in one region, that to me is a failure of the system to encourage communities to be multicultural and multi-racial, as opposed to just getting someone in the country and leaving it at that; it seems short sighted. But everyone hates socialism, so none of its benefits are put into a solution.

In my world we'd all be under one world government, as a council system which had minimal global oversight level powers and local regional governance. Disputes would always arise and be either settled locally or enforced globally, in a sensible hierarchy, like the court system, with the best possible solution selected and gradually improved upon over time.

It seems to me nation-states, in the current authoritarain led world, do nothing more than give people excuses to go to war over KM's of dirt. (I know they bring social cohesion, purpose and identity, but it's difficult to respect or acknowledge, that with all the missiles flying about)

 

Yes I agree.. One problem I see arising though is that the ppl coming here from different cultures and such, they want to bring what they had back home (which didn't work out well hence why they moved to Canada) and make here like there, ppl still live the same culture and traditions to a tee like back home here in the Canadian culture, that happens allot.. In my home town, which is not Toronto, but a smaller city north west of here, there were allot of Italians, Finnish, Polish and such, they all had their individual halls, festivals and such. My family is not from any of these cultures, but we integrated and hung around them lots, enjoyed their foods and music too, it was fun, but we had our own thing too, I didn't find my personal family too involved with our own heritage cultures (German, Swedish), we just lived our lives, made money, had family get togethers, went out met other ppl from other places and such, we weren't stuck on our cultural heritage like I see many ppl here are from India, or other places, since Toronto is said to be the most multi cultural city in the world.  I see many of them stay in their own circles and maintain how they would live here like they would back home, for me this is a No No, yes remember it, celebrate it sometimes, but don't live it strictly here, Canada, like the US, is supposed to be a dynamic Culture, creating new ways to live and Be..

I believe a One World Government would be best as well, but the Ppl of the world are too Ego identified, to low level on the Awareness scale, wars happen because of this fundamental problem, if that was solved, the World would be way more united and one world government would work, with a Resource Based Economy in place, rather that what we have today which keeps the Elites in power, getting more power, and the rest of Us working as slaves and losing power and personal control of our lives!

[zazen]

From a uni-polar world order:

To a multi-polar world order:

Reminds me of that meme: him VS the guy she tells you not to worry about lol