Thoughts on the carnivore diet these days?

[PurpleTree]

2 hours ago, Jannes said:

Nah, what do you expect from enlightenment?

Hopefully not lol.

 

Yeah I indeed remember some advocates here.

Well i think Leo had the same hope with getting uber conscious to help with his bodily issues, but i don’t think he’s liberated so the verdict still out.

And seemingly when there are these "little to no self states" there’s less pain and suffering.

Realistically i think it could help over time (years) because with auto immune the body is attacking itself so when there isn’t a very self critical self maybe it eases a bit.

Anywho not that it’s very important 

[Jannes]

7 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Well i think Leo had the same hope with getting uber conscious to help with his bodily issues, but i don’t think he’s liberated so the verdict still out.

Yeah, well the psychedelics even caused brain damage in combination with the illnesses he had already. 

7 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

And seemingly when there are these "little to no self states" there’s less pain and suffering.

Realistically i think it could help over time (years) because with auto immune the body is attacking itself so when there isn’t a very self critical self maybe it eases a bit.

Anywho not that it’s very important 

Maybe idk. It seems like a physical thing though but maybe you can be less attatched to your body.

But thats so out there I would look for practical ways first. 

Of course its important.

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Jannes said:

Yeah, well the psychedelics even caused brain damage in combination with the illnesses he had already. 

Tha heeell

[Jannes]

8 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Tha heeell

Yeah... said it somewhere on the forum. One or the main reason why he doesnt touch psychedelics anymore.

[Carl-Richard]

On 24.8.2025 at 1:30 PM, Jannes said:

Yeah... said it somewhere on the forum. One or the main reason why he doesnt touch psychedelics anymore.

I'm pretty sure he was talking about re-activations, which is actually not a problem unless you're scared of being enlightened. Or maybe he has said something else.

[Jannes]

5 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

I'm pretty sure he was talking about re-activations, which is actually not a problem unless you're scared of being enlightened. Or maybe he has said something else.

Read it yourself: 

 

[Schizophonia]

2 hours ago, Jannes said:

Read it yourself: 

 

He doesn't have brain damages at all he just have brain fog or something.

 

[Jannes]

14 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

He doesn't have brain damages at all he just have brain fog or something.

 

He wrote himself that he had brain damage, thats not something you say for no good reason WTF . 

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I had this bias for psychedelics, that I desperately needed them to be healthy because they made my life worthwhile, experiencing god at some point etc. so in one discussion I just couldnt digest the truth that they may also cause some brain damage.. But its all a balance, psychedelics also increase your intelligence in other ways. When you trip once or twice a month on a moderate dose, give yourself time to integrate and recover then you will probably get most of the goods with relatively little bad stuff. 

[Schizophonia]

24 minutes ago, Jannes said:

He wrote himself that he had brain damage, thats not something you say for no good reason WTF . 

...

 

I had this bias for psychedelics, that I desperately needed them to be healthy because they made my life worthwhile, experiencing god at some point etc. so in one discussion I just couldnt digest the truth that they may also cause some brain damage.. But its all a balance, psychedelics also increase your intelligence in other ways. When you trip once or twice a month on a moderate dose, give yourself time to integrate and recover then you will probably get most of the goods with relatively little bad stuff. 

There is no evidence at all of any signs of lost of nerves cells with psychedelic use.

And even you can't feel the loss of a few nerve cells; you must have been asphyxiated for a long time, tried to commit suicide with cyanide or something, or better yet had a motorcycle accident where your skull hits a buddy and smashes into your brain lol.

Leo confuses brain inflammation and/or low metabolism with lesions; he has chronic fatigue from what i remember.

Edited August 26 by Schizophonia

[Jannes]

3 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

There is no evidence at all of any signs of lost of nerves cells with psychedelic use.

And even you can't feel the loss of a few nerve cells; you must have been asphyxiated for a long time, tried to commit suicide with cyanide or something, or better yet had a motorcycle accident where your skull hits a buddy and smashes into your brain lol.

Leo confuses brain inflammation and/or low metabolism with lesions; he has chronic fatigue from what i remember.

Okay yeah thats true, science doesnt show evidence there. But for Leo it may be different because of the other health problems he has. He said that his health probems combined with heavy psychedelic use caused brain damage.

Its possible that Leo confuses these things. He didnt say how he came to the conclusion that he has brain damage, if he literally got a brain scan from the doctor for example that would be hard evidence. 

I just think its unlikely that Leo would make such a simple error in judgement even with his brain maybe being his most emotional territory. 

[Schizophonia]

18 minutes ago, Jannes said:

Okay yeah thats true, science doesnt show evidence there. But for Leo it may be different because of the other health problems he has. He said that his health probems combined with heavy psychedelic use caused brain damage.

Its possible that Leo confuses these things. He didnt say how he came to the conclusion that he has brain damage, if he literally got a brain scan from the doctor for example that would be hard evidence. 

I just think its unlikely that Leo would make such a simple error in judgement even with his brain maybe being his most emotional territory. 

He probably invent lol

@Leo Gura

[Carl-Richard]

8 hours ago, Jannes said:

Read it yourself: 

 

He is talking about experiencing brain damage from his health problems, not his psychedelic use?

[Jannes]

4 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

He is talking about experiencing brain damage from his health problems, not his psychedelic use?

No I meant to quote the thread. Here he said it. 

On 29.3.2025 at 2:06 PM, Leo Gura said:

Cause was psychedelics interacting with a chronic health condition.

Edited August 26 by Jannes

[Jannes]

@Schizophonia Its emotional territory for him. He said he wasnt ready to talk about what happened to him maybe a year or so ago and only recently revealed big parts of the story. 

[MarkKol]

These days, you don't even have to listen to Influencers or misguided health professionals on the Internet

You can ask Conesus AI yourself and see what the data says

https://consensus.app/search/does-high-red-meat-consumption-increase-cardiovasc/R1PWrnU0QVyPcyu1y-ZZ0Q/

https://consensus.app/search/is-high-red-meat-consumption-healthy/dnUYmzpDS3SRKQhUE87Ynw/

There you go ⬆️

It's not healthy.

[PurpleTree]

2 hours ago, MarkKol said:

These days, you don't even have to listen to Influencers or misguided health professionals on the Internet

You can ask Conesus AI yourself and see what the data says

https://consensus.app/search/does-high-red-meat-consumption-increase-cardiovasc/R1PWrnU0QVyPcyu1y-ZZ0Q/

https://consensus.app/search/is-high-red-meat-consumption-healthy/dnUYmzpDS3SRKQhUE87Ynw/

There you go ⬆️

It's not healthy.

Can you ask him if it helps with auto immune disorders like arthritis etc?

[Schizophonia]

3 hours ago, MarkKol said:

These days, you don't even have to listen to Influencers or misguided health professionals on the Internet

You can ask Conesus AI yourself and see what the data says

https://consensus.app/search/does-high-red-meat-consumption-increase-cardiovasc/R1PWrnU0QVyPcyu1y-ZZ0Q/

https://consensus.app/search/is-high-red-meat-consumption-healthy/dnUYmzpDS3SRKQhUE87Ynw/

There you go ⬆️

It's not healthy.

Some associative studies

[MarkKol]

27 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Some associative studies

Some of them are meta-analyses and highly cited silly putain

I also find it interesting how, when most of these studies discuss red meat as being bad, they typically refer to it in the context of less than 200-250g per day/week. In contrast, a normal person can easily consume half a kilogram.

44 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Can you ask him if it helps with auto immune disorders like arthritis etc?

It says;

"High red meat intake is associated with an increased risk of developing rheumatoid arthritis (RA) and earlier onset of the disease, particularly in smokers and overweight individuals 

Meta-analyses show that consuming high amounts of red meat (about 96–166 g/day) increases RA risk, while lower or occasional intake does not show a significant effect

Some studies find no significant association between moderate red meat consumption and RA risk, but processed meats are consistently linked to higher risk 

Diets low in red meat and high in fish, vegetables, and whole grains (such as the Mediterranean diet) are associated with lower risk and improved outcomes in RA and other autoimmune conditions.

Processed meats should be minimized, and high red meat intake is not recommended for those at risk of or living with autoimmune diseases"

[PurpleTree]

4 hours ago, MarkKol said:

Some of them are meta-analyses and highly cited silly putain

I also find it interesting how, when most of these studies discuss red meat as being bad, they typically refer to it in the context of less than 200-250g per day/week. In contrast, a normal person can easily consume half a kilogram.

It says;

"High red meat intake is associated with an increased risk of developing rheumatoid arthritis (RA) and earlier onset of the disease, particularly in smokers and overweight individuals 

Meta-analyses show that consuming high amounts of red meat (about 96–166 g/day) increases RA risk, while lower or occasional intake does not show a significant effect

Some studies find no significant association between moderate red meat consumption and RA risk, but processed meats are consistently linked to higher risk 

Diets low in red meat and high in fish, vegetables, and whole grains (such as the Mediterranean diet) are associated with lower risk and improved outcomes in RA and other autoimmune conditions.

Processed meats should be minimized, and high red meat intake is not recommended for those at risk of or living with autoimmune diseases"

Ok but did you read the reddit threads of people i posted who become pain free on carnivore vs suffering a lot with normal diet?

[MarkKol]

On 27/08/2025 at 9:42 PM, PurpleTree said:

Ok but did you read the reddit threads of people i posted who become pain free on carnivore vs suffering a lot with normal diet?

Might be worth it, but...

I don't see why that would exempt you from increased inflammatory markers and other issues that come with eating a lot of meat. It can serve as a short-term relief, but you should look into what you can eat besides that, long-term.

Depending on how bad it affects you