Is there any point to awakening in this life?

[Someone here]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@Someone hereGod 

 

When you think about what it would be like going between no qualia, and qualia, you can ask.What's that thing that goes between them, to experience the qualia, and come to the conclusion that that is God. Not the void of nothing, not the experience but something that can travel between both of them. More void than the void of nothing. Just literal nothing.

I know it's nothing. But the word nothing makes people think of a black darkness. But obviously even blackness..blanckness..are something. Nothing is not a thing .but Oneness means nothing =something.  So it's kinda pointless man .

[Sincerity]

3 hours ago, Someone here said:

I literally just watched Leo's two videos "what is God ?" Yesterday and I feel like I understand all of reality . 

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that doesn't mean I'm not conscious as fuck .Trust me I know things that no one on this forum except maybe Leo can even begin to understand. I know what awakening is but I'm not awake. 

Reading this shit be like 🤦‍♂️

[Hojo]

@Someone here Well change what you know. Its right in front of you now. Its not black darkness.

Its brain dead deep sleep. Brain dead deep sleep is happening right now, you are talking over it and saying you can't find it cause it makes you think about darkness. With your voice fingers and in your mind you are talking over brain dead deep sleep, you made up that you are out of. And are pretending to not know its there.

Edited Monday at 07:05 PM by Hojo

[James123]

3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I know it's nothing. But the word nothing makes people think of a black darkness. But obviously even blackness..blanckness..are something. Nothing is not a thing .but Oneness means nothing =something.  So it's kinda pointless man .

I am sorry to interrupt, but what about:

Genuinely, genuinely "Not Knowing"?

It is actually unnamable (because any knowledge belongs to mind), but the closest word can maybe be "Being".

[Someone here]

@Sincerity 😘

@Hojo even deep sleep is a thing . Nothing is not a thing .you can't say what nothing is because anything you say is a thing .what's a thing? 

[Hojo]

@Someone here thats God and its a thing. Its an invisible base line conciousness that exists overplayed over every experience you ever had.

Seeing God is seeing nothing, is a thing, and that thing is God. You are thinking it has to be nothing(darkness). No you have always been dreaming and never woke up out of sleep your entire life. God is the brain dead thing that exists forever in real life, in dream, and the transitions between them. And its still happening right now.

You see the brain dead thing when you are dreaming. Its the thing thats moving around in the dream. You must agree you are brain dead when you are dreaming you dont make decisions you just move around. That brain dead thing is you, not whatever you think you are, and this is a dream world.

Edited Monday at 07:12 PM by Hojo

[Someone here]

3 minutes ago, James123 said:

Genuinely, genuinely "Not Knowing"?

That's kindergarten. I've realised nobody knows Jack long time ago . I'm not writing statements or absolute facts .I'm writing unhinged mess and existential questions to make you think .because we are all in this together. 

@Hojo That's exactly what im taking about .let language and logic collapse when dealing with the absolute. 

[Hojo]

@Someone here This is a gaslight you were asking for a logical explanation I gave one perfectly. You dont understand and then say we need to drop logic.

Edited Monday at 07:20 PM by Hojo

[Someone here]

@Hojo I wasn't asking to get answer .I asked to make a point .

[James123]

7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

That's kindergarten. I've realised nobody knows Jack long time ago . I'm not writing statements or absolute facts .I'm writing unhinged mess and existential questions to make you think .because we are all in this together. 

İf the thinker is the biggest illusion?

İf you realize nobody knows jack, what is "you" and "realization"?

[Someone here]

@James123 so where is this going exactly? 

[James123]

5 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@James123 so where is this going exactly? 

All knowledge is literally entire veil that hides the true Self. When you drop or surrender you / self, what remains is Pure Being which is You.

[Someone here]

Just now, James123 said:

All knowledge is literally entire veil that hides the true Self. When you drop or surrender you / self, what remains is Pure Being which is You.

Agreed 🍻

[Princess Arabia]

14 minutes ago, James123 said:

İf you realize nobody knows jack,

How do you know this. If nobody knows jack, then you don't know this.

[Princess Arabia]

9 minutes ago, James123 said:

All knowledge is literally entire veil that hides the true Self. When you drop or surrender you / self, what remains is Pure Being which is You.

Most delusional statement there is. The person is knowledge itself. Both go together. The only reason you are is because you know that you are. I know, therefore I AM. Who is dropping and who is surrendering, Then who is the you that remains after the you surrenders and drops itself. Spiritual jargon and mumbo jumbo.

[James123]

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

How do you know this. If nobody knows jack, then you don't know this.

Of course, that's all the point. Knowing is the biggest illusion. There is no "I" nor "this".

Words can only point. 

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, James123 said:

Of course, that's all the point. Knowing is the biggest illusion. There is no "I" nor "this".

Words can only point. 

Words can't point to shit. The words are the same thing it's pointing to. 

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Most delusional statement there is. The person is knowledge itself. Both go together. The only reason you are is because you know that you are. I know, therefore I AM. Who is dropping and who is surrendering, Then who is the you that remains after the you surrenders and drops itself. Spiritual jargon and mumbo jumbo.

The “therefore” implies a cause and effect relationship that your existence depends on something else, such as a thought or knowledge. But the true Self simply is, without cause or condition. Existence does not arise because of knowing or thinking; it is prior to all that. To believe “Therefore I am” is to mistake the transient mind for the eternal Self.

The “person” you speak of is indeed the mind’s creation, thought, knowledge, and the “I” arise together. The statement “I know, therefore I am” is a mind made idea, not the Truth of your Being.

When the sense of “I” surrenders and falls away, there is no separate “you” left behind. What remains is the Self, which is pure awareness beyond all concepts, beyond knowledge, beyond the thinker and the known.

Spiritual jargon can confuse and trap the mind, but Truth is simple and direct. It is the ending of all such divisions.

Attachment to knowledge divides and confines the mind, creating separation. ( As saying, therefore I Am)

Non-attachment frees "you", which is an another attachment. And revealing the oneness that is always now, beyond all distinctions, therefore knowledge. 

[James123]

7 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Words can't point to shit. The words are the same thing it's pointing to. 

Words are not the thing itself. They are merely pointers toward the Truth. The Truth remains unchanged and beyond words. The mistake is to confuse the pointer with what it points to. True wisdom is to see beyond words to the Truth they indicate.

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

Words are not the thing itself. They are merely pointers toward the Truth. The Truth remains unchanged and beyond words. The mistake is to confuse the pointer with what it points to. True wisdom is to see beyond words to the Truth they indicate.

There is no separation. Pointers towards the truth? The words, the pointer, the so-called truth, all the same. You're talking observer stuff. Witness. Dream. Illusion. "The truth remains unchanged and beyond words" suggests continuity which can only be in the dream. There is no mistake to be made, ever, but only in the dream. Seeing beyond words to the truth they indicate suggests time and space, there's none. Wake up. Ooops, no one there to wake up.