TYT says that no Corporate Democrat can win the presidency in 2028

[Lyubov]

On 8/12/2025 at 9:33 PM, Jodistrict said:

The Democrats need to remember history.  FDR was the only 4 term president and he was the biggest socialist politician America ever had.   But FDR wasn’t woke.   This isn’t complicated.

It’s also just a lack of charisma and image. Look at Gavin Newsom. He genuinely appeals strong and straight forward. Listen to some of his interviews and rallies. Basically politicians need to tell a story, a non woke charismatic guy like Gavin Newsom who champions an anti-corruption campaign could work. I’m sorry but the two women that ran just appeared weak and nerdy. No one was remotely inspired or fired up by them. I think AOC as an attack dog could be a perfect running mate for Newsom. Biden would have beat Trump a second time if he was as coherent as he was in 2020. He simply was just so old. People keep analyzing this thing so much but it’s really just so straight forward. Harris lacked charisma of a man and didn’t seem tough. Biden was excellent at debating and an attack dog in his prime. He would have beat Trump a second time if he had his wits about him and didn’t make all those old man gaffes. We lost basically due to aging. 

[Elliott]

@Lyubov charisma of the whole wing, everyday people. Conservatism is a CULTure, it's a lot of peoples entire identity. Our wing doesn't place as much importance on politics in every day life.

Conservative needs to be made a third party, there's no reason they should be contenders.

Edited August 15 by Elliott

[Raze]

Mamdani has over 20% support among conservative voters.

This further debunks the neoliberal argument progressives alienate moderates and they should move to the center. Kamala campaigned with Liz Cheney and did worse with moderates than Biden.

 

[Elliott]

7 hours ago, Raze said:

Mamdani has over 20% support among conservative voters.

This further debunks the neoliberal argument progressives alienate moderates and they should move to the center. Kamala campaigned with Liz Cheney and did worse with moderates than Biden.

 

Mamdani is running on standard Democratic policy. You think Biden was more progressive than Harris, you're high.

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[Hardkill]

34 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Mamdani is running on standard Democratic policy. You think Biden was more progressive than Harris, you're high.

Mamdani is running on standard Democratic policy?! 

He's running on a very socialistic platform and the most left-wing agenda compared to any other NYC mayor since LaGuardia in the 1940s, if not ever in the history of the city. 

Please tell me that you're trolling.

[aurum]

8 hours ago, Raze said:

This further debunks the neoliberal argument progressives alienate moderates and they should move to the center

It does not debunk it.

He is still very far behind Sliwa. He is beating Cuomo and Adams, but that's more about how unpopular they are.

[Elliott]

4 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Mamdani is running on standard Democratic policy?! 

He's running on a very socialistic platform and the most left-wing agenda compared to any other NYC mayor since LaGuardia in the 1940s, if not ever in the history of the city. 

Please tell me that you're trolling.

No, read his campaign website, it's nothing new and everything in it is something other democrats have already done in other cities or campaign for.

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[Raze]

18 hours ago, aurum said:

It does not debunk it.

He is still very far behind Sliwa. He is beating Cuomo and Adams, but that's more about how unpopular they are.

This is a poll among just conservatives. Silwa is the republican candidate, obviously he will win among conservative voters, that’s not the point.

But the point is to get 20% support of conservatives as a liberal is an incredible achievement. If a democrat presidential candidate got 10% of republicans to vote for them they would landslide the country.

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[Raze]

14 hours ago, Elliott said:

No, read his campaign website, it's nothing new and everything in it is something other democrats have already done in other cities or campaign for.

Bullshit, it isn’t standard among democrats to push for rent freezes and government run grocery stores. Even now most establishment dems refuse to endorse him.

On 8/15/2025 at 8:35 AM, Elliott said:

@Lyubov charisma of the whole wing, everyday people. Conservatism is a CULTure, it's a lot of peoples entire identity. Our wing doesn't place as much importance on politics in every day life.

Conservative needs to be made a third party, there's no reason they should be contenders.

Conservatives were completely psyopped into supporting large corporations and the military industrial complex and destroyed everything they cared about. Now they still blame everyone else.

Edited August 16 by Raze

[Elliott]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

Bullshit, it isn’t standard among democrats to push for rent freezes and government run grocery stores. Even now most establishment dems refuse to endorse him.

Conservatives were completely psyopped into supporting large corporations and the military industrial complex and destroyed everything they cared about. Now they still blame everyone else.

Rent freezes on rent controlled apartments, mamdani isn't freezing all rent just apartments democrats have already implemented rent control AND FREEZES on.

And 2 of the other Democrats ran on it too.

They don't endorse him because he supports intifada, terrorism.

Edited August 17 by Elliott

[Raze]

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

They don't endorse him because he supports intifada, terrorism.

No, he doesn’t.

But his opposition to Israeli war crimes is another way where his position is different than most democrat politicians. 

Edited August 17 by Raze

[aurum]

2 hours ago, Raze said:

But the point is to get 20% support of conservatives as a liberal is an incredible achievement. If a democrat presidential candidate got 10% of republicans to vote for them they would landslide the country.

I doubt Mamdani would get 10% of republicans as a presidential candidate.

Obama only got around 9%.

Edited August 17 by aurum

[Raze]

2 minutes ago, aurum said:

I doubt Mamdani would get 10% of republicans as a presidential candidate.

Obama only got around 9%.

A democrat similar to Mamdani who calls out the establishment and pushes for economic populism could get that and more.

Obama got that because he campaigned on change and economic and medical reform. He was smart enough to not publicly gloat about being a neoliberal even though he was.

[Elliott]

10 minutes ago, Raze said:

No, he doesn’t.

But his opposition to Israeli war crimes is another way where his position is different than most democrat politicians. 

 

 

 

Edited August 17 by Elliott

[Raze]

2 minutes ago, Elliott said:

https://youtu.be/ywUKRl16_zU?si=smrbYZ63vApIWdCZ&t=2428

Nowhere in that does he say he supports terrorism, he just correctly points out most people using those terms aren’t using them as calls for terrorism. Intifada just means uprising, that can happen with or without terrorism. He also didn’t use that term. 

[Elliott]

11 minutes ago, Raze said:

Nowhere in that does he say he supports terrorism, he just correctly points out most people using those terms aren’t using them as calls for terrorism. Intifada just means uprising, that can happen with or without terrorism. He also didn’t use that term. 

43:20

'What i hear, equality and human rights, standing up for palestine'

He doesn't explicitly say he supports terrorism, he paints "Intifada" as good intentioned, a movement of terrorism.

 

https://nypost.com/2025/06/21/us-news/socialist-nyc-mayoral-candidate-zohran-mamdani-once-rapped-about-his-love-for-hamas-teror-funding-group-holy-land-five/

Socialist NYC mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani once rapped about his ‘love’ for Hamas terror-funding group ‘Holy Land Five’

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[aurum]

26 minutes ago, Raze said:

A democrat similar to Mamdani who calls out the establishment and pushes for economic populism could get that and more.

Obama got that because he campaigned on change and economic and medical reform. He was smart enough to not publicly gloat about being a neoliberal even though he was.

Brother, you're not grasping how ego psychology affects this whole issue.

You mostly cannot listen to people when they tell you they want higher consciousness reform.

People do not want real change. They are not even informed enough to understand what real change entails.

Real change is extremely rare and is mostly forced upon people by the universe against their conscious will.

What people want is the fantasy of change. That's the perfect ego self-deception. Tell yourself you are changing, when you're not.

[Hardkill]

2 hours ago, aurum said:

I doubt Mamdani would get 10% of republicans as a presidential candidate.

Obama only got around 9%.

Obama didn’t win more than about 9–10% of voters in the U.S. who identified as Republicans in 2008. However, his charisma was truly once-in-a-generation — strong enough that he managed to win around 20% of voters who identified as conservatives. That was an unusually high percentage for a presidential candidate from the opposite party or ideology during that era.

That being said, Obama didn't run as a left-wing idealogue or as a self-described Socialist like Mamdani. In fact, Obama was eventually accused by Leftists and progressives for not being "progressive" or "liberal" enough. So, it's hard for me to believe that Mamdani would ever have as much broad appeal throughout the entire country as Obama did.

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[Raze]

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

43:20

'What i hear, equality and human rights, standing up for palestine'

He doesn't explicitly say he supports terrorism, he paints "Intifada" as good intentioned, a movement of terrorism.

No, he’s saying the people saying globalize the intifada now are not necessarily supporting terrorism. He himself didn’t say the term either nor say he supports terrorism.

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

 

https://nypost.com/2025/06/21/us-news/socialist-nyc-mayoral-candidate-zohran-mamdani-once-rapped-about-his-love-for-hamas-teror-funding-group-holy-land-five/

Socialist NYC mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani once rapped about his ‘love’ for Hamas terror-funding group ‘Holy Land Five’

Probably because human rights groups and legal experts have said the trial was a sham and they weren’t guilty and there was a movement to appeal the case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Land_Foundation_for_Relief_and_Development#Criticism_of_the_trial

That’s not supporting the funding of Hamas if he thinks they didn’t do it. Btw, Israel’s government funded Hamas itself. 

 

[Raze]

1 hour ago, aurum said:

Brother, you're not grasping how ego psychology affects this whole issue.

You mostly cannot listen to people when they tell you they want higher consciousness reform.

People do not want real change. They are not even informed enough to understand what real change entails.

Real change is extremely rare and is mostly forced upon people by the universe against their conscious will.

What people want is the fantasy of change. That's the perfect ego self-deception. Tell yourself you are changing, when you're not.

No, they either want change to improve their lives or want the changes that are making their lives worse to stop.

The democrats failed because while Obama won on change, they never delivered change aside from incremental small fixes and in many ways made their lives worse.

Hillary and Kamala essentially ran on no change and Trump presented himself as the change candidate.

The idea everyone likes the status quo is nonsense as they consistently are electing change candidates with uprisings in both the democrats and republicans with a rise of far left and far right candidates. 

Edited August 17 by Raze