Debunking Solipsism

[Daniel Balan]

46 minutes ago, Max1993 said:

@Daniel Balan When people say they will never try psychedelics it physically hurts me lol. Imagining my life without them... all I see is a person destined to be lost. I would be completely lost without them. I was destined to be an atheist forever without them. 

Firstly atheism means rejection of religion and of bearded men in the sky. We all are atheists in that regard. 

Secondly psychedelics are chemicals manufactured by mankind in a laboratory. If I don't practice religion which was also created by humans, why should I put in my body dangerous substances designed by the same humans who designed religion? 

I have respect for psychedelics made by mother nature such as mushrooms or other plants, but I don't want to take them because I made a vow to myself to never ever touch mind altering substances. 

The thing I value the most about life is independence and sovereignity of mind. 

Being dependent on a substance to attain some mystical states is the same as being dependent on viagra to get a boner. I want to get a boner naturally via my own natural abilities, not via dangerous and expensive poisons!

It would be my greatest nightmare to be dependent on a substance to attain clarity or understanding. I want to do things sober or not at all.

Edited Saturday at 11:52 PM by Daniel Balan

[Inliytened1]

14 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

Firstly atheism means rejection of religion and of bearded men in the sky. We all are atheists in that regard. 

Secondly psychedelics are chemicals manufactured by mankind in a laboratory. If I don't practice religion which was also created by humans, why should I put in my body dangerous substances designed by the same humans who designed religion? 

I have respect for psychedelics made by mother nature such as mushrooms or other plants, but I don't want to take them because I made a vow to myself to never ever touch mind altering substances. 

The thing I value the most about life is independence and sovereignity of mind. 

Being dependent on a substance to attain some mystical states is the same as being dependent on viagra to get a boner. I want to get a boner naturally via my own natural abilities, not via dangerous and expensive poisons!

It would be my greatest nightmare to be dependent on a substance to attain clarity or understanding. I want to do things sober or not at all.

But what if you couldn't get a boner any other way then viagra?  Then what? No sex forever? There are many for whom meditation or contemplation just doesn't get it done for knowing the Absolute Truth. 

 

 

Edited Sunday at 12:00 AM by Inliytened1

[Daniel Balan]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

But what if you couldn't get a boner any other way then viagra?  Then what? No sex forever? There are many for whom meditation or contemplation just doesn't get it done for knowing the Absolute Truth. 

 

 

You are right! 

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Daniel Balan said:

You are right! 

Lucky for us we don't need it 😀

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

If solipsism was true why the rural people were dying due to an explosion from a place they have never yet imagined or experienced?

You are imagining all of history.

It's like you are a character in the Star Wars universe asking about the Clone Wars.

The Clone Wars only have reality if you imagine them.

You are imagining WW2 and all the people in it, and all the physical evidence for it. If you stopped imagining it, WW2 would not exist.

Edited Sunday at 03:38 AM by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

8 hours ago, Oppositionless said:

Is Mind just the stream of consciousness ? When you say imagination I'm interpreting that is something more fundamental than this stream of consciousness . If so then there could be multiple streams but only one "mind."

Mind and Consciousness mean the same thing in my view.

Everything you experience right now is what I mean by Mind/Consciousness.

Your field of experience is it.

By imagination I mean everything in your field of experience right now. All physical objects you see.

[ExploringReality]

@Leo Gura

Leo, this is like telling people in a dream that they're in a dream

[Razard86]

16 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

@Leo Gura

Leo, this is like telling people in a dream that they're in a dream

Leo is people's dream character doing exactly that. I won't lie when I became Conscious of this I was like they should turn it into a Movie. Cause it's the funniest thing ever!!

[Meeksauce]

12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Meeksauce The flaw in your logic is that for God to be omniscient and omnipotent it must have absolute sovereignty of mind. This is only achieved by having no other.

If others exist, they automatically break absolute sovereignty of mind, which means God can't exist.

What is God? God is the absolute ability to imagine anything without limit. This is only possible if it is the sole mind. As soon as you have more than one mind, power is divided between them. You can only have infinite imagination if no other entity exists to impinge upon you. Other minds would impinge upon your mind, thereby making you not-God.

As soon as God imagine another mind beyond itself, and takes that seriously, God stops being God.

You are welcome to imagine other minds, but then you aren't God. That's the price you pay if you want company. Or you can be God all alone. Up to you.

Most people would rather trade God for company. And so they do.

There is a further radical possibility of infinite sovereign minds all permanently isolated from each others. With no way to connect. This is what my Infinite Gods video was about. But these others minds would not be the people you see in your life. They would be completely inaccessible to you. The people you see in your life would still all be your own mind, so this doesn't really help you escape solipsism.

On 8/1/2025 at 8:25 AM, Hojo said:

@Meeksauce are you saying you need a second to verify that the first has them all? In that case I would argue then you need a third to meditate the 2 cause the 2nd could be lying.

Why does God have to have omniscience and absolute sovereignty of mind?

On 8/1/2025 at 7:56 AM, Someone here said:

with all honesty I have no clue . Leo says go get wasted on 5 meo a hundred times and then you will get it and it will stick. So I'm setting that as a goal .but my gut feeling is that solipsism is obviously true despite how radical and far fetched it seems . Because there is a lot of suspicious phenomenon in life that points to this .but the bottom line is I'm agnostic about it .

 

On 8/1/2025 at 7:44 AM, Wilhelm44 said:

Likewise it's also impossible to prove solipsism. 

On 8/1/2025 at 7:44 AM, Wilhelm44 said:

 

[Leo Gura]

30 minutes ago, Meeksauce said:

Why does God have to have omniscience and absolute sovereignty of mind?

Because God is an infinite mind that can imagine anything it wants. It has to be unlimited because there is no other to limit it. As soon as you have other you have a limit upon the Self. Other is a division of the Self. All divisions are imagined by Self. The ultimate nature of the Self is Unity.

This is just a logical consequence of Unity. Unity IS omnipotent and omniscient.

[Leo Gura]

34 minutes ago, Meeksauce said:

Leo says go get wasted on 5 meo a hundred times and then you will get it and it will stick.

The 5-MeO state will not stick. It is far too radical to be your default state. Your state will return to normal.

You can however develop an understanding that all of your experience is a hallucination. You can break the materialist paradigm until it is dead. This would be a nice achievement.

[Daniel Balan]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You are imagining all of history.

It's like you are a character in the Star Wars universe asking about the Clone Wars.

The Clone Wars only have reality if you imagine them.

You are imagining WW2 and all the people in it, and all the physical evidence for it. If you stopped imagining it, WW2 would not exist.

If I imagine ww2  how come I found this wartime projectile on my land outside the village while I was plowing the earth on 31 december 2024? Had I hit it harder with my plow, I would have been splattered in a 1000 pieces. It is a projectile from either WW2 or WW1, my village was a frontline battle site in both world wars, the photo was made by me as I said on 31 december 2024, before I called the police to take that projectile away from my field. If I am imagining all of history, how come I found a 80 year plus bomb on my 0.25 hectare field where I grow corn and wheats? It doesn't make any sense to think all evens prior to my birth are imaginary, because to me they aren't imaginary. As I said, only luck alone prevented me from being blown to pieces. This isn't imaginary. 

I came into this journey trying to deconstruct the materialist paradigm, but the more time passes, the more I contemplate, the more and more I validate the materialist paradigm as being true

Edited Sunday at 06:58 AM by Daniel Balan

[Wilhelm44]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Because God is an infinite mind that can imagine anything it wants. It has to be unlimited because there is no other to limit it. As soon as you have other you have a limit upon the Self. Other is a division of the Self. All divisions are imagined by Self. The ultimate nature of the Self is Unity.

This is just a logical consequence of Unity. Unity IS omnipotent and omniscient.

Yes there is ultimate Unity, but that does not disprove the possibility that all these dream characters have the potential to realize ultimate Unity consciousness for themselves ?

Like an octopus analogy.

Edited Sunday at 07:01 AM by Wilhelm44

[Wilhelm44]

My body and character is just as much imagined as the next person's body and character ? Why should I be the only one with the potential to realize God ?

[Inliytened1]

11 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Yes there is ultimate Unity, but that does not disprove the possibility that all these dream characters have the potential to realize ultimate Unity consciousness for themselves ?

Like an octopus analogy.

You can awaken to the fact that this whole thing is a dream.  The contents of such dream having their own independent consciousness would.then seem ludicrous given the fact that they were fabricated by a higher mind.

Edited Sunday at 07:10 AM by Inliytened1

[Harikrishnan]

31 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

If I imagine ww2  how come I found this wartime projectile on my land outside the village while I was plowing the earth on 31 december 2024? Had I hit it harder with my plow, I would have been splattered in a 1000 pieces. It is a projectile from either WW2 or WW1, my village was a frontline battle site in both world wars, the photo was made by me as I said on 31 december 2024, before I called the police to take that projectile away from my field. If I am imagining all of history, how come I found a 80 year plus bomb on my 0.25 hectare field where I grow corn and wheats? It doesn't make any sense to think all evens prior to my birth are imaginary, because to me they aren't imaginary. As I said, only luck alone prevented me from being blown to pieces. This isn't imaginary. 

I came into this journey trying to deconstruct the materialist paradigm, but the more time passes, the more I contemplate, the more and more I validate the materialist paradigm as being true

When u imagine ww2, it will always leave war crumbs here and there for you to truly stick to that imagination. There will be war memorials, video clips, even your great grandfather whose war medals will be hanging on your wall and you will be looking it at daily.  

Edited Sunday at 07:21 AM by Harikrishnan

[Wilhelm44]

16 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

You can awaken to the fact that this whole thing is a dream.  The contents of such dream having their own independent consciousness would.then seem ludicrous given the fact that they were fabricated by a higher mind.

Im not debating the dream nature of this whole thing. But my character/body is just as much a dream as your character/body. No difference. So if my dream character has the potential to wake up, why not the same potential for all other dream characters ?

[Wilhelm44]

We talk about other characters being imagined. But even my own character is a figment of my imagination. Which means my character is no different from any of the other dream characters. Essentially I have the ability to wake up in the video game. Why do all the other equally imaginary characters not also have the same potential ?

Edited Sunday at 07:44 AM by Wilhelm44

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Daniel Balan said:

If I imagine ww2  how come I found this wartime projectile on my land outside the village while I was plowing the earth on 31 december 2024?

You are hallucinating taking that photo.

You're not appreciating the depth of this issue.

You are not seeing that absolutely any evidence you can think of it a hallucination.

You can't even claim that you read books about WW2 because you hallucinated ever reading a single book!

ALL of the past is a hallucination. So you can't even claim something existed 5 minutes ago.

[Leo Gura]

You guys still aren't understanding what God is.

You are God. The one and only. You're still thinking that you are part of God rather than God itself. You're being too humble.