Paradox vs Contradiction

[Jirh]

8 hours ago, Hyperion said:

 

 

!!OGNIB 

[UnbornTao]

@Hyperion Maybe. What do we get by adopting hearsay, though? Notice everything regarding the absolute comes to us - they are ideas and concepts, beliefs and conclusions, states and experiences. Neither of those are enlightenment. What is it? A possibility for each of us to personally and directly become conscious of. What's that? We can't know until we start having some breakthroughs.

Everything else regarding "absolute truth" is highly irrelevant. So why not go after a personal breakthrough into the matter? This is where the real work happens.

[Hyperion]

14 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

What do we get by adopting hearsay, though?

Nothing, which is exactly why I don't rely on it.

14 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

So why not go after a personal breakthrough into the matter?

Why not, indeed?

14 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

This is where the real work happens.

As long as it still feels like "work", there hasn't been a true breakthrough. The real magic happens where the real work stops. 

 

Edited August 16, 2025 by Hyperion

[UnbornTao]

21 minutes ago, Hyperion said:

Nothing, which is exactly why I don't rely on it.

Why not, indeed?

As long as it still feels like "work", there hasn't been a true breakthrough. The real magic happens where the real work stops. 

 

Sure. 

[Hyperion]

On 16.8.2025 at 8:41 PM, Jirh said:

!!OGNIB 

A valid counterperspective. 🙏

[Hyperion]

[Breakingthewall]

On 31/7/2025 at 8:41 PM, Hyperion said:

paradox is a trans-logical metaperspective that points to a higher truth; a contradiction is an illogical fallacy that indicates attachment to an inconsistent belief system.

Where is a paradox in reality? Reality is absolutely logical 

[Hyperion]

35 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Where is a paradox in reality?

Here's my response:

On 31.7.2025 at 8:41 PM, Hyperion said:

In my conversations with spiritual seekers (as well as those who claim to have stopped seeking), it has become increasingly clear to me that one of the main things that trips people up on the spiritual path is the all too common inability to distinguish between paradox and contradiction.

The difference between paradox and contradiction is often quite subtle (and therefore easy to miss) but nevertheless important, since being able to tell the difference between the two essentially equates to being able to distinguish mature spiritual insight from half-baked baloney. Once you have truly internalized it, the ability to tell them apart becomes a rather effective BS-detector that will save you considerable amounts of time, doubt and confusion and show you where you may (still) be attached to certain one-sided views / beliefs and stuck in delusion... so, proceed to read at your own risk, and don't say I didn't warn you. 

From Wikipedia:

A paradox [...] is a statement that, despite apparently valid reasoning from true or apparently true premises, leads to a seemingly self-contradictory or a logically unacceptable conclusion. A paradox usually involves contradictory-yet-interrelated elements that exist simultaneously and persist over time. They result in "persistent contradiction between interdependent elements" leading to a lasting "unity of opposites".

In other words: A paradox is a statement or (meta)perspective which implies that two opposite aspects of a thing are equally (in)valid. The statement "less is more" is paradoxical because it equates two opposite qualities which seem to be mutually exclusive; the statement "this statement is false" is paradoxical because it leads to the inevitable conclusion that the statement itself is simultaneously true AND false - and also, it is neither.

Here is why this is important: Reality is fundamentally paradoxical. Anything that can be expressed with words is always and without exception a relative perspective; and for any one relative perspective, there is always an opposite and complementary counter-perspective which, from an absolute standpoint, is equally valid - or invalid, depending on how you look at it. (Before you accuse me of reckless relativism, let me point out that the statement "all perspectives are equally (in)valid" is itself a relative perspective and therefore cannot be absolutized. You're welcome.) Paradoxical statements therefore point to a higher order of truth where seeming opposites are seen and recognized as two sides of the same coin that complement and imply each other; they are seen to be different (relative) aspects of the same (absolute) thing/no-thing/everything. Examples of such statements are: "Reality is dual AND nondual", "I am a person AND I am not a person", "appearance is real AND illusory", "time exists AND doesn't exist",  "there are other people AND there are no other people". (Again: You may agree or disagree that the opposite perspective in each of these examples is equally valid as its counterpart, but the fact of the matter is that they complement and imply each other by their very existence; one perspective simply cannot exist without the other, just as there cannot be high without low, light without dark, positive without negative etc.)

So, how is a contradiction different from a paradox?

A contradiction is when you assume and express a one-sided perspective (that essentially denies and invalidates the complementary opposite perspective); and then, you express a second (relatively unrelated) one-sided perspective that invalidates the first one. So instead of acknowledging two opposite sides of the one coin, you acknowledge only one side and then say something else which contradicts that. Examples: "Reality is nondual AND cannot be labeled or described", "all is one AND all is nothing", "there is appearance AND there is no duality", "there is no time AND everything is impermanent", "you are God AND you don't exist", "there are no others AND most people are lost in the dream", "there is nothing but awakeness AND there is noone to awaken" --- the classic (Neo) Advaita contradictions.

Again: The difference between paradox and contradiction can be very subtle and easy to miss; but with enough practice (and insight), it will become more and more easy for you to immediately and intuitively tell them apart. So keep sharpening your sword, fellow Samurai, until you can cut right through the drivel.

Tl;dr: A paradox is a trans-logical metaperspective that points to a higher truth; a contradiction is an illogical fallacy that indicates attachment to an inconsistent belief system.

Having said all that, please feel free to contradict what I just wrote. 

Satisfied?

36 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Reality is absolutely logical 

That is relatively (un)true.

[Breakingthewall]

23 minutes ago, Hyperion said:

Here's my response:

Satisfied?

That is relatively (un)true.

I don't think so, paradox is just lack of understanding. Reality is absolutely logical. Saying things like: reality in nothing and everything. That's nice and if you wear white Linus and long bread it's even better, but it's just a wrong quote. It's much better to go to the point and define it. 

Reality is not nothing. "Nothing" is just a concept that doesn't exist in reality since it's formulated from "something". Then saying that reality is nothing is just a mistake. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Xonas Pitfall]

The difference is basically your ability to “hold” a paradox or "be" a contradiction.

For example, reality is everything and nothing. You could say that’s a contradiction: you can’t be everything and nothing. But reality can, because reality is above duality and bias. It can hold or be both without being “self-contradictory,” so to speak.

All paradoxes are inherently contradictory, but the difference is that a paradox can contain and hold that contradiction.

A biased, defined, dualistic entity like a human can’t do this as easily, because for a human to remain a human, it has to operate within duality. It can’t fully become a nondual entity.

You could say a paradox is truth viewed through a 2D/3D “dual” perspective. From a 4D or “non-dual” perspective, there’s no longer any confusion about paradox. It’s all just Is-ness, truth.

[Hyperion]

@Breakingthewall

Nuff said.

[Hyperion]

12 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

A biased, defined, dualistic entity like a human can’t do this as easily, because for a human to remain a human, it has to operate within duality. It can’t fully become a nondual entity.

Duality and nonduality are two sides of the same coin.

[Breakingthewall]

12 minutes ago, Hyperion said:

@Breakingthewall

Nuff said.

you could elaborate and having a conversation. Or maybe you don't dare because your ideas are not solid? Anyway, try and let's see. 

[Hyperion]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

you could elaborate and having a conversation. Or maybe you don't dare because your ideas are not solid? Anyway, try and let's see. 

No offense, but I simply don't see the point of repeating the same thing over and over and over and over again to someone who seems to be either incapable or unwilling to understand what is being said.