I tried Leo's sitting down and staring at hand experiment - I have questions

[LoneWonderer]

@freddyteisen

2 hours ago, freddyteisen said:

@Leo Gura

Should you look at them sober or can you add a psychedelic to the experience?

Yesterday I tried to do the experiment again on a low dose of 5mg of 5meo and I can report at least in my case it was still quite challenging. I must be very lost in Maya. 😅 Moving my hand around proved much more difficult as almost every time my mind immediately reasociated it as "my hand" when movement was detected. However there were few instances were I did notice that what was before me wasn't "a hand" but un unknown. This was sorta freaky and like member MutedMiles has described above. I will keep practicing and report back.

Edited 20 hours ago by LoneWonderer

[LoneWonderer]

What about the original experience I described in the post? Is this all just self delusion? An effect of the eyes? The merging into white light? Anyone could answer this question for me?

Edited 20 hours ago by LoneWonderer

[Inliytened1]

16 minutes ago, LoneWonderer said:

What about the original experience I described in the post? Is this all just self delusion? An effect of the eyes? The merging into white light? Anyone could answer this question for me?

No this is the dream coming apart.  The buddah could make objects dance with his gaze.  And you are doing the same.  

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[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, freddyteisen said:

@Leo Gura Seriously valuable tips. Thanks.

Can you switch focus between both hands?

Yes, although it adds needless complexity.

4 hours ago, freddyteisen said:

Can you also shift your focus to other objects in the room (I.e. use that heightened awareness for other objects?)

You can do whatever but your mind is likely to lose focus and weaken the exercise.

4 hours ago, freddyteisen said:

Should you look at them sober or can you add a psychedelic to the experience?

Of course it works on  a psychedelic but if you take the psychedelic you gain no benefit in training up your sober state of mind.

You need to train up your sober state so you are be conscious of God without psychedelics.

4 hours ago, freddyteisen said:

What to do when the mind says: “this is utterly useless. Why the f*k am I looking at my hand? There’s absolutely no point and nothing to gain from that.”

It's not useless, you are becoming more conscious of God. It just takes time and focus.

You can't go to the gym, do 5 pushups, and then say, "This is fucking useless." Nothing in life can be achieved with that attitude.

[LoneWonderer]

19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You can't go to the gym, do 5 pushups, and then say, "This is fucking useless." Nothing in life can be achieved with that attitude.

Quite true sir.