Stop confusing nonduality with radical nonduality (please?)

[PurpleTree]

Nonduality is like Rupert Spira being aware of awareness, consciousness being aware of itself, look at me i‘m Rupert Spira i wear glasses 🤓 and have a British accent i‘m so woke. Here is what you can do to become more aware

 

Radical Nonduality is like Tony Parsons and Andreas Müller, there is nobody, bo meaning, nothingness being everything. Look at me i‘m nothing 😎 there is nobody who can do anything.

 

 

 

Alright thanks guys and glad we talked about it.

[Sugarcoat]

If I remember correctly Rupert spira once said there’s two steps to awakening. First you awaken to nothingness, consciousness, but it’s still a nothingness that’s separate from everything, then second step is consciousness realizes it’s everything so merges with everything 

 

Havent verified it to myself btw

A radical non dualist young woman who later disappeared from YouTube talked about something similar in her own experience. 

Edited yesterday at 02:26 PM by Sugarcoat

[PurpleTree]

7 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

If I remember correctly Rupert spira once said there’s two steps to awakening. First you awaken to nothingness, consciousness, but it’s still a nothingness that’s separate from everything, then second step is consciousness realizes it’s everything so merges with everything 

Yea if that’s what he said (i don’t know) Rupie Spira gives you a path and steps and a next. And you believe him because he has glasses 🤓 and a British accent. Imagine he had a Texas accent and a confederate flag. You wouldn’t believe it. I like Rupert Spira though because he’s lovely.

Edited yesterday at 02:33 PM by PurpleTree

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, PurpleTree said:

Yea if that’s what he said (i don’t know) Rupie Spira gives you a path and steps and a next. And you believe him because he has glasses 🤓 and a British accent. Imagine he had a Texas accent and a confederate flag. You wouldn’t believe it. I like Rupert Spira though because he’s lovely.

I am open to it and I find he does have some value to what he says, that’s what I intuit at least. What degree of awakening he has I don’t know, if it’s the same as the radical non dualists or different (can’t know for sure if they are legit either, but I do resonate with some really small YouTube channels)

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I am open to it and I find he does have some value to what he says, that’s what I intuit at least. What degree of awakening he has I don’t know, if it’s the same as the radical non dualists or different (can’t know for sure if they are legit either, but I do resonate with some really small YouTube channels)

What’s the value? 

[Sugarcoat]

8 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

What’s the value? 

What I meant is that his teachings seem to me to come from a place of some kind of true realization, not that’s it’s gonna change one’s life tho

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

What I meant is that his teachings seem to me to come from a place of some kind of true realization, not that’s it’s gonna change one’s life tho

Sure

[Salvijus]

The only way to have an insight into no self is if awareness penetrates all transient existence. That's why following instructions that rise awareness is essential. Without that you just have a nondual nothingburger. 

Edited yesterday at 02:59 PM by Salvijus

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

The only way to have an insight into no self is if awareness penetrates all transient existence. That's why Rupert Spira's advice is essential. Without that you just have a nondual nothingburger. 

What do you mean by awareness penetrates all transient existence?

Edited yesterday at 03:01 PM by Sugarcoat

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

The only way to have an insight into no self is if awareness penetrates all transient existence. That's why following instructions that rise awareness is essential. Without that you just have a nondual nothingburger. 

Well. That sounds like hogwash. 

[Salvijus]

There are instructions to build muscle 

There are instructions to increase fat

There are instructions to sharpen the awareness and discernment. 

Unless the awareness is sharpened to the point where it can discern the eternal from transient, there is no enlightenment, there is no genuine insight, there is only nondual self gaslighting. 

Edited yesterday at 03:06 PM by Salvijus

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

There are instructions to build muscle 

There are instructions to increase fat

There are instructions to sharpen the awareness and discernment. 

Unless the awareness is sharpened to the point where it can discern the eternal from transient, there is no enlightenment. 

You also said you would like to shoot at some immigrants at the border soooo?

Edited yesterday at 03:08 PM by PurpleTree

[PurpleTree]

5 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Unless the awareness is sharpened to the point where it can discern the eternal from transient, there is no enlightenment. 

Also you aren’t enlightened. So why ae you giving advice on enlightenment?

 

[Salvijus]

@PurpleTree 

7 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Also you aren’t enlightened. So why ae you giving advice on enlightenment?

 

Good reasoning is enough validity onto itself. 

[Sugarcoat]

16 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

There are instructions to build muscle 

There are instructions to increase fat

There are instructions to sharpen the awareness and discernment. 

Unless the awareness is sharpened to the point where it can discern the eternal from transient, there is no enlightenment, there is no genuine insight, there is only nondual self gaslighting. 

That seems to be a first step, to realize nothingness (the eternal)

[Salvijus]

13 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

You also said you would like to shoot at some immigrants at the border soooo?

I also say 2+2=4. Are you going to dismiss me here too based on what I've said before? 

[Salvijus]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

That seems to be a first step, to realize nothingness (the eternal)

Yes that would be the first enlightenment in Rupert Spira's map. 

[PurpleTree]

11 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

@PurpleTree 

Good reasoning is enough validity onto itself. 

It’s the blind leading the blind.

Like a fat person giving advice on how to lose weight.

I mean there’s no free will anyway probably but its bs

Edited yesterday at 03:29 PM by PurpleTree

[Schizophonia]

@Sugarcoat I just watched a Robert Spira's video out of curiosity, i quite like it it's more comprehensible than Jim Newman.

 

Looks like all non dual teacher are clones who talk the same way, have similar facial expression and wear the same unicolor shirts lol.  

Edited yesterday at 03:32 PM by Schizophonia

[Sugarcoat]

If the self is in the brain

And psychedelics act on the brain to temporarily alter or dissolve the self

And if enlightenment means no self

Then it seems enlightenment can have some sort of neural basis and there could be tangible methods increasing the chance of it