Fantasy - Intellectual Enlightenment

[Eskilon]

11 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

When will you arrive? 

When Death comes

Even if intellectual perfection exists, you will die, and then what?

Every goal, ambition or ideal is bullshit precisely because Death exists.

Death is king

Edited Wednesday at 11:05 PM by Eskilon

[CARDOZZO]

25 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

when death comes

Sad. 

I do not want to suffer my whole life to discover that I was on the effect of a false concept.

[Someone here]

14 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

You're lucky. I grew up on a tough environment. 

So you guys in Brazil got it worse than India? 

 

[Eskilon]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

So you guys in Brazil got it worse than India? 

At least you guys have Yogis at every corner 

We usually have thieves 

Edited Wednesday at 11:13 PM by Eskilon

[CARDOZZO]

27 minutes ago, Someone here said:

So you guys in Brazil got it worse than India? 

 

The country is one aspect.

I grew up into a perfection matrix. When you are being compared to your brother and cousins, you are never enough. Nothing is enough. You develop self-hate. You never arrive.

[CARDOZZO]

30 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

We usually have thieves 

One of the best. Even the president is one of them. 

[Someone here]

12 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

At least you guys have Yogis at every corner 

This is a fantasy . Western People have weird ideas about india and indian people. Just because this guy Siddhartha Gautama was Indian doesn't mean India is the Mecca of spirituality or something .

Also there are attractive Indian people and not all Indians are black .

This Perfection is Indian lol:

 

Sunny leone she is Indian actress and retired porn star .she is probably the hottest woman ever. 😂.

Osma bin laden had porn movies on his laptop from her I'm not joking. 

Edited Wednesday at 11:25 PM by Someone here

[Eskilon]

3 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

One of the best. Even the president is one of them. 

True, but he is better than Bolsonaro.

Here its like: choose your thief

It's corrupt to the bone

Edited Wednesday at 11:25 PM by Eskilon

[CARDOZZO]

23 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

True, but he is better than Bolsonaro.

Here its like: choose your thief,

It's corrupt to the bone

Sure. We are deeply fucked. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

It is highly humorous isn't it?

You are trying to reach something that is a concept, it isn't real - perfection. But you really really believe it. All of society is telling you it is real. It only exists as a social construct.

When you sit and look at a sunrise and have an experience. Direct. Eyes sensing colour, nose smelling the salt of the sea, ears hearing the gulls. That is where the truth is. Just you, being. You aren't inserting in any weird narrative about the sunrise 'If it were JUST to the left, it would look better, more perfect!' That's an example of you inserting your survival based agenda - the self - into the experience.

And you do this all over the place! Its what you are taught from the age you become self aware.

Even meditating, stopping thought... You do it to try to reach enlightenment, awakening... THATS ALSO AN IDEA THAT ISN'T REAL.

Until you EXPERIENCE it - then it is TRUTH. Direct experience.

The more you engage in this process the more is revealed. Things are revealed you won't expect. 

You bring wonder and awe back to your experience of Maya.

It's key to realise to have this true direct experience you need to be OUT in the WORLD. Doing shit. Experiencing. Work. Play. Walk. Listen. Do those chores. Wash the dishes. Sink into the mundane because there is more to get out of that experience that you have blocked out. This leads to actualization. Authenticity.

And hey - I know all about truth in the material domain. I work in construction. Brutal. You do anything untruthful and the building collapses and kills people. You execute. It's an experience and it becomes so easy once your self is moved out of the way. No hesitation to give hard facts - your self isn't there to care if you upset anyone. No worry about shit going wrong with a plan, that is a concept and not real... until it is. THEN it comes into truth and you deal with it. And you don't panic, because there isn't a stupid narrative about 'how did I fuck up?' There is just - truth, and fixing. Doing. Action.

Sorry for the rant, I am trying to express how consciousness work assists in your career, in my career, in reality. It will help you execute in a way you didn't think was possible.

Some of this might sound obvious to some, but it needs to be said. Because the social domain and survival is a literal cataract over your direct experience of events, things...

[Hojo]

1 hour ago, CARDOZZO said:

Sad. 

I do not want to suffer my whole life to discover that I was on the effect of a false concept.

Thats what makes it funny. The more you suffer the funnier it is. Something can be so funny you fly away into another dimension. Like funniest most retarded fart joke x 10000000.

Edited Thursday at 12:31 AM by Hojo

[Eskilon]

7 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Something can be so funny you fly away into another dimension. Like funniest most retarded fart joke x 10000000.

Stop describing my ayahuasca trips

I literally laughed 4 hours non-stop the first time.

But there was no reason in particular, it was just insanely funny.

Actually everything is funny as hell, you just need the right perspective. Like, this forum? Typing here for you to read and responde there？ What the fuck is this lmaaao

People waking, going to work, come back and sleep and repeat over and over, bro wtf just top I am dying over here

Edited Thursday at 12:35 AM by Eskilon

[Hojo]

@Eskilon it feels life God was like let me tell you a funny fart joke, and the joke ran on and on for on years and you forget he was telling you a joke, and its real life now and its full of suffering and heartbreak and abandonment. Then  suddenly after 30 years he makes a really long farting sound and you remeber your life was actually a fart joke God was telling you. Lol

Edited Thursday at 12:36 AM by Hojo

[Eskilon]

3 minutes ago, Hojo said:

it feels life God was like let me tell you a funny fart joke, and the joke ran on and on for on years and you forget he was telling you a joke, and its real life now and its full of suffering and heartbreak and abandonment. Then  suddenly after 30 years he makes a really long farting sound and you remeber your life was actually a fart joke God was telling you. Lol

For real

[CARDOZZO]

14 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

It is highly humorous isn't it?

You are trying to reach something that is a concept, it isn't real - perfection. But you really really believe it. All of society is telling you it is real. It only exists as a social construct.

When you sit and look at a sunrise and have an experience. Direct. Eyes sensing colour, nose smelling the salt of the sea, ears hearing the gulls. That is where the truth is. Just you, being. You aren't inserting in any weird narrative about the sunrise 'If it were JUST to the left, it would look better, more perfect!' That's an example of you inserting your survival based agenda - the self - into the experience.

And you do this all over the place! Its what you are taught from the age you become self aware.

Even meditating, stopping thought... You do it to try to reach enlightenment, awakening... THATS ALSO AN IDEA THAT ISN'T REAL.

Until you EXPERIENCE it - then it is TRUTH. Direct experience.

The more you engage in this process the more is revealed. Things are revealed you won't expect. 

You bring wonder and awe back to your experience of Maya.

It's key to realise to have this true direct experience you need to be OUT in the WORLD. Doing shit. Experiencing. Work. Play. Walk. Listen. Do those chores. Wash the dishes. Sink into the mundane because there is more to get out of that experience that you have blocked out. This leads to actualization. Authenticity.

And hey - I know all about truth in the material domain. I work in construction. Brutal. You do anything untruthful and the building collapses and kills people. You execute. It's an experience and it becomes so easy once your self is moved out of the way. No hesitation to give hard facts - your self isn't there to care if you upset anyone. No worry about shit going wrong with a plan, that is a concept and not real... until it is. THEN it comes into truth and you deal with it. And you don't panic, because there isn't a stupid narrative about 'how did I fuck up?' There is just - truth, and fixing. Doing. Action.

Sorry for the rant, I am trying to express how consciousness work assists in your career, in my career, in reality. It will help you execute in a way you didn't think was possible.

Some of this might sound obvious to some, but it needs to be said. Because the social domain and survival is a literal cataract over your direct experience of events, things...

I like your perspective.

Who are your intellectual/spiritual mentors?

[CARDOZZO]

13 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Thats what makes it funny. The more you suffer the funnier it is. Something can be so funny you fly away into another dimension. Like funniest most retarded fart joke x 10000000.

It is funnier from a specific perspective.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@CARDOZZO

This question made me think a lot. I am not loyal to any one mentor, but I have listened/read/studied most - Allan Watts, Peter Ralston, Sadhguru, Eckhart Tolle, Teal Swan (more interpersonal domain), Leo Gura.

All at different steps in my journey, particular teachers have resonated more than others.

At each interval I took some knowledge, but always empirically tested and acted out the 'doing' in reality.

Sometimes the truth I revealed acted in conflict with what was being communicated. Its very difficult to be sure if I misunderstood, or if the teaching wasn't right. Lots of reflection is needed. There is also a strong element to my process of repetition. I return to works or teaching I previously walked through over and over. And over. 

Really important to separate the mentor from the method. The art, from the artist. The concept of the person gets in the way.

As you go into this work you also realise some things cannot be communicated. So they aren't spoken of.

Sort of why they say YOU need to discover truth. Otherwise it is a belief.

The questions people ask on this forum tell you were they are at in their spiritual path. 

So you see many people on this forum for example - they can conceptualise God, God realisation. Infinity. Intellectualise it. But they ask questions about it that imply they didn't actually have direct experience. Just an example.

The questions you ask are more important than the answers.

I digress... 

Edited Thursday at 01:10 AM by Natasha Tori Maru

[Rishabh R]

8 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

Having a job, being married, having kids, cars, being wealth.

This is a perfection ideal.

People strive to meet this social standards. "This is what society should be". This is what humans should look like. 

Ideals. Ideals. Ideals.

They are striving to make you look perfect based on social standards, doing "what is right".

Even if one achieved these ideals they will feel empty inside once these things become normal part of their life.

8 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

A sense of perfection permeates humanity like a mind virus.

It is an engine that perpetuates society. 

You are always looking for ways to become more intelectual, spiritual, beautiful, powerful, stronger. 

When will you arrive? 

Yeah absolutely but most people don't do self help which is even worse as they fall into the trap of self-indulgence instead of self discipline which makes them unhappy.

Regarding ways to become more beautiful, stronger ,spiritual and intellectual it is life experiences that makes us grow not chasing ideal of perfection. The best thing to do is to pick up one self-help practice and do it over a long period of time without getting distracted by fluffy promises that almost every self halp tactics gives you. This is the best way I know how to get results from self-help. One would never achieved perfection but would make progress.

Edited Thursday at 07:46 AM by Rishabh R

[CARDOZZO]

5 hours ago, Rishabh R said:

Even if one achieved these ideals they will feel empty inside once these things become normal part of their life.

Yeah absolutely but most people don't do self help which is even worse as they fall into the trap of self-indulgence instead of self discipline which makes them unhappy.

Regarding ways to become more beautiful, stronger ,spiritual and intellectual it is life experiences that makes us grow not chasing ideal of perfection. The best thing to do is to pick up one self-help practice and do it over a long period of time without getting distracted by fluffy promises that almost every self halp tactics gives you. This is the best way I know how to get results from self-help. One would never achieved perfection but would make progress.

Progress is the way of life.

[CARDOZZO]

12 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@CARDOZZO

This question made me think a lot. I am not loyal to any one mentor, but I have listened/read/studied most - Allan Watts, Peter Ralston, Sadhguru, Eckhart Tolle, Teal Swan (more interpersonal domain), Leo Gura.

All at different steps in my journey, particular teachers have resonated more than others.

At each interval I took some knowledge, but always empirically tested and acted out the 'doing' in reality.

Sometimes the truth I revealed acted in conflict with what was being communicated. Its very difficult to be sure if I misunderstood, or if the teaching wasn't right. Lots of reflection is needed. There is also a strong element to my process of repetition. I return to works or teaching I previously walked through over and over. And over. 

Really important to separate the mentor from the method. The art, from the artist. The concept of the person gets in the way.

As you go into this work you also realise some things cannot be communicated. So they aren't spoken of.

Sort of why they say YOU need to discover truth. Otherwise it is a belief.

The questions people ask on this forum tell you were they are at in their spiritual path. 

So you see many people on this forum for example - they can conceptualise God, God realisation. Infinity. Intellectualise it. But they ask questions about it that imply they didn't actually have direct experience. Just an example.

The questions you ask are more important than the answers.

I digress... 

I understand. I read everything. 

Nowadays, I'm reading Tolstoi, Camus, Hemingway, Kafka, Thoreau, Plotino, Plutarco.

Spiritual books are becoming repetitive.

Edited Thursday at 01:15 PM by CARDOZZO