Every Moment/Dhikr

[Kuba Powiertowski]

i@Breakingthewall it's probably the language barrier +'my poor English - you read me too literally sometimes😉.

[kbone]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

Mind is for past or future, not for Now.

Suicide is running away, therefore still belongs to survival. One must burn while alive, and Love rebirth You as the Moment.

It is conditioned by the past and projects into the future, yes.

Yes, the psychological death and the subsequent rebirth as what is existentially open, naked, and fearless. Noice allusion to the Phoenix rising from the ashes. I getcha.

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

So you mean us having minds is what makes it possible for us to reach enlightenment?

The mind is a structure of the reality, same than any other structure but unique, as any other structure. Then the mind can open it structure and perceive it nature, the totality. I don't know if a fish can do it, I don't think so, when a kid can't. 

 

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

If you can do that why can’t you stay there, if you want?

I can't stay there, I can go to the park and meditate , I smoke a single toke of weed, then in some moments the opening happens. Yes I know, some will.say: you need the weed, then it's not real. It is, but small weed is necessary to relax the frequency, at least for now. You don't want being open to the total all time because it's not our normal frequency. You feel absolutely full, absolutely free, but it's, let's say, not natural being human. It's good to do some moments to fill your heart, open yourself in all senses, but you need to be closed to function. Then you try to make a frame of being as transparent as is possible, don't lie, be straight, transparent, clean, to be as close as possible of being open but being functional

[kbone]

1 minute ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

i@Breakingthewall it's probably the language barrier +'my poor English - you read me too literally sometimes😉.

He does tend to do that. Both of you write exceptionally well, though, and it is barely noticeable.

Perhaps, it is the lack of modal verbs (can, could, shall, should, may, might, must) that make his assessments of other's views sound so blunt, and him sounding so willing to get into the nuances. He keeps misinterpreting my posts as being emotional/aggressive or me being narcissistic, when I'm just being objective about how I see the mind is conditioned and the self is constructed.

[kbone]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I can't stay there, I can go to the park and meditate , I smoke a single toke of weed, then in some moments the opening happens. Yes I know, some will.say: you need the weed, then it's not real. It is, but small weed is necessary to relax the frequency, at least for now.

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I can open myself to the absolute at will, It was extremely difficult at first. I explained it 200 times,

[Princess Arabia]

James is high. Been high for a couple days. Hehe. 

[Breakingthewall]

9 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

If you can do that why can’t you stay there, if you want?

You can be open to the absolute in some extent all time, but as a background, you see that reality is structured in forms, but in deep meditation you can also open yourself completely and stop perceiving form, becoming it. The total light of unlimited reality, total freedom, but it feels like something that burns you, I suppose because I don't have a completely polished energetic structure. It's not something like: Ah, I'm God and I'm doing this and that, but the substance of reality, that is , of you, what it is without filter. It's unlimited and absolute. The fact of having no limits translates into absolute potential, total power, total everything. This burns you, it seems like you are going to get disintegrated

Edited Tuesday at 05:43 AM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, kbone said:

 

Seems that you need to say I'm lying, I'm not lying in any case here, absolutely zero. It's at will , I decide to go to meditate then most of times it happens. Will means: Im going to do this, then I do. For example, I'm going to go to London , then I buy a plane ticket and I'm going.  

Anyway, I'd say what you are is obvious, but it's not nice being accused about lying in something serious. 

Edited Tuesday at 05:34 AM by Breakingthewall

[kbone]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Seems that you need to say I'm lying, I'm not lying in any case here, absolutely zero. It's at will , I decide to go to meditate then most of times it happens. Will means: Im going to do this, then I do. For example, I'm going to go to London , then I buy a plane ticket and I'm going.  

Anyway, I'd say what you are is obvious, but it's not nice being accused about lying in something serious. 

(Last long post to you... sawwy, I get on a rant and roll with it sometimes)

I don’t need to say anything. My wake up call was that I was living a lie, and it hit me hard. It was obvious that I had been living a lie for my entire life. Existentially speaking, if you haven’t found and grounded in/as Truth, that makes what you think are a liar, not to be trusted. (Think Agent Smith in The Matrix, for example… the quick, shape-shifting, mind-driven ego). Relatively speaking, you’re a fucking warrior, brave for taking on the battle, and ahead in the march toward the realization line, and I deeply respect that. It is a slog to get to where YOU actually already are. I only say that, because I know you hate it, because you’re hard headed, because it twists your castle of reasoning in on itself, because it challenges the idea that you think you’re getting somewhere…. else. You’re on the journey across the barren landscape of an entropically dying sense of reality, one that has kept your attention mesmerized by all the stories it tells itself. I know it’s hard, and I know I love you.

This last post clears things up. 'Your' mind only likes its own thinking and/or those that agree with it or are enchanted with it, and there are defense mechanisms to drive out what disagrees or attacks the thought structure and the identity built with/within/around/from it. It is firmly in charge, and it is the master of 'your' existence. The judgments of Huang Po were never about what the mind had penetrated, but about how it doesn’t align with its structure of vocabulary and logic. Certain schools bang on and on about ‘not thinking’, and the thought structure doesn't like that… most peeps want the goodies of Ch’an/Zen, but not the actual practice. Looking at modern society and the children in charge of it, it makes perfect sense. And I get it, most peeps are gonna think, most peeps are addicted to thinking, and most peeps are deeply unconscious of, attached to, and defensive of their world view. 

So, there’s the self-inquiry for the thinkers, and most peeps like to think they have it all figured out. True self-inquiry, taken ALL THE WAY to its very end, dissolves the hand rails for the self, until it falls to its knees and can’t get back up. The self, starved of attention, its imagined reflection growing weaker and weaker, becomes more and more disillusioned (it’s a good thing, by the way). If no one comes along and feeds the narcissistic self, it eventually ‘dies’. True death may take several tries, but something honest and 'actual' can and does get back up, but it is not what died. It is open, fearless, innocent... blossoming like a flower in/as true nature. The hands and weapons of battle are unable to pierce or harm its innocence.

“In Greek mythology, Narcissus was a strikingly handsome youth who became the object of unrequited love for many, including the nymph Echo. However, Narcissus spurned their affections. As punishment for his arrogance and cruelty, he was cursed to fall in love with his own reflection, which he saw in a pool of water. Unable to leave his reflection and consumed by his self-love, Narcissus eventually withered away and died, transforming into the flower that bears his name.” —---Your father was likely a deeply unconscious aspect of being; unable to SEE the Love, he spurned wholeness and lived in relative misery. He apparently needed your attention, your devotion and affection to keep the story alive, because he was locked in, not open, and dying… living in existential fear. The suggestion would be that -at least- one of his parents was of the same ilk, and that there's a generational conditioning at play, but that’s just speculation. You have the opportunity to break the cycle, because you are much more conscious than him/them. Do it.

Anyway, I'd say what YOU are is obvious, but the 'you' that the mind thinks it is hasn’t noticed it. Peace, man. 

Done.

[kbone]

7 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

James is high. Been high for a couple days. Hehe. 

Hearty, hehe. 😍

[Breakingthewall]

@kbone  I can't read you, I perceive a lot of toxicity. If you are hurt that's life, but try to contribute with something positive. Narcissist are also humans but are so difficult, a real test

[kbone]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

@kbone  I can't read you, I perceive a lot of toxicity. If you are hurt that's life, but try to contribute with something positive. Narcissist are also humans but are so difficult, a real test

Fascinating.

[Sugarcoat]

15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

, but you need to be closed to function.

Do you believe there are some non dualists who are open to their nature all the time ?

[Sugarcoat]

7 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

You can be open to the absolute in some extent all time

Do you think some people have more dense minds/selves while some others can be “softer”, because here it sounds like there’s degrees. I think there is, in my own experience, like my mind/self used to be denser in the past.
 

You don’t have to answer my questions btw but you seem very expressive here and have interesting view so that’s why I ask

Edited Tuesday at 12:09 PM by Sugarcoat

[Breakingthewall]

23 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Do you believe there are some non dualists who are open to their nature all the time ?

I believe that there have been natural mystics like Ramakrishna or Anandamayi Ma (seems so, who knows), people who, due to their genetics and circumstances, have not completely closed themselves off and have lived from the opening. 

These people usually can't offer a solid, logical explanation for how the mind completely closes in on form because they've always been open. Then there was a rise in spiritual culture. Krishnamurti, Maharshi, etc, which brought fame and privilege. Fertile ground for narcissists. So things are very twisted and complicated, riddled with scams and manipulation mixed with some flashes of authenticity 

Edited Tuesday at 12:26 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

22 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Do you think some people have more dense minds/selves while some others can be “softer

Yes, there are kids that are much more dense than others. Usually that density is perceived as strength. It is in many senses because it's the density needed for survival in hostile environment. .

24 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

You don’t have to answer my questions btw but you seem very expressive here and have interesting view so that’s why I ask

What question? I like a lot talking about this topic, because it touch the ultimate nature of the humans and the reality itself. It's extremely fascinating and nobody is really interested in it, people is interested in profit. Profit could be better feeling, absence of suffering, etc. All that is legit, but if you go for profit, you get stuck. Imo you should go for openess just for the openess, because you want to be what you are without limits. But who knows, maybe other ways can work 

[Sugarcoat]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

I believe that there have been natural mystics like Ramakrishna or Anandamayi Ma (seems so, who knows), people who, due to their genetics and circumstances, have not completely closed themselves off and have lived from the opening. 

These people usually can't offer a solid, logical explanation for how the mind completely closes in on form because they've always been open. Then there was a rise in spiritual culture. Krishnamurti, Maharshi, etc, which brought fame and privilege. Fertile ground for narcissists. So things are very twisted and complicated, riddled with scams and manipulation mixed with some flashes of authenticity 

There’s really small YouTube channels talking about non duality I feel they’re authentic but I’m not sure

[Sugarcoat]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, there are kids that are much more dense than others. Usually that density is perceived as strength. It is in many senses because it's the density needed for survival in hostile environment. .

 

I’ve intuited this

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

What question? I like a lot talking about this topic, because it touch the ultimate nature of the humans and the reality itself. It's extremely fascinating and nobody is really interested in it, people is interested in profit. Profit could be better feeling, absence of suffering, etc. All that is legit, but if you go for profit, you get stuck. Imo you should go for openess just for the openess, because you want to be what you are without limits. But who knows, maybe other ways can work 

“People are interested in profit. Profit could be better feeling, absence of suffering”. But aren’t you after openness because it makes you feel better? (Not as in an emotion but you get what I mean). If openness was purely negative (maybe it’s scary sometimes but it seems like a net positive overall) you wouldn’t pursue it right?

 

Edited Tuesday at 02:29 PM by Sugarcoat

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

There’s really small YouTube channels talking about non duality I feel they’re authentic but I’m not sure

2 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

 

Could be, I just listened a bit of Ralston and a bit of Sadhguru. I didn't like their approach 

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

But aren’t you after openness because it makes you feel better? (Not as in an emotion but you get what I mean). If openness was purely negative (maybe it’s scary sometimes but it seems like a net positive overall) you wouldn’t pursue it right?

Well, maybe yes, but above all, it's a constant intuition that you have to open up.  Obviously, if you feel depressed and bitter, you look for a way out. But you know you're depressed because you're trapped; you sense it. You don't want to open up to stop being depressed, but because it's a necessary movement, and you also assume it will help with your mental suffering, because closeness is synonymous of mental suffering. The mental suffering is a signal that says: open up, break the barriers until no one remains. If not you will be trapped always and that's very bad business, no way. 

[Sugarcoat]

5 hours ago, Breakingthewall said: 

Well, maybe yes, but above all, it's a constant intuition that you have to open up.  Obviously, if you feel depressed and bitter, you look for a way out. But you know you're depressed because you're trapped; you sense it. You don't want to open up to stop being depressed, but because it's a necessary movement, and you also assume it will help with your mental suffering, because closeness is synonymous of mental suffering. The mental suffering is a signal that says: open up, break the barriers until no one remains. If not you will be trapped always and that's very bad business, no way. 

It’s kind of like exposing yourself to the thing you fear because you know it’s what’s gonna lead to freedom from the fear, I felt “I must break through this” because l felt the fear kinda blocked my reality (hard to describe). And when you dissolve fear it’s like accessing a new reality so it’s like I intuited that I must go deeper