Why you don't live in the world / But in the Source

[Breakingthewall]

9 hours ago, James123 said:

Key of flowing is no knowledge, which is no judgement, analyzing, ideas or comparison. 

Just simply accepting the Moment.

That's not enlightenment but it's impossible to show you nothing because the basis of your psyche is the need of being enlightened. 

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I'm serious in spirituality, not like you. But as you are a mod , you can bully me , that shows your level. Congratulations 

It doesn't seem like it sometimes.  Dial it back a bit.

Edited Monday at 08:57 AM by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

It doesn't seem like it sometimes.  Dual it back a bit.

It's just your perception , because your understanding is limited to the dogma: I'm god dreaming the reality, because once you had that realization and now you remember it. Then you don't understand nothing that is out of that dogma, same than a Christian or a Muslim. Then in a given moment you could become aggressive, and ban anyone if they don't follow your dogma. 

look, what I'm pointing is real enlightenment, it's sad that nobody understands it. It's like talking to people that can't hear, like james, focused in his need of being enlightened and repeating neo advaita dogma. But spiritual people is mostly focused in evasion, that's normal 

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

if they don't follow your dogma. 

look, what I'm pointing is real enlightenment,

 

Careful now. Don't  stab yourself in the foot.  Is this not dogma?

[Breakingthewall]

10 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

It doesn't seem like it sometimes.  Dial it back a bit.

Look im sorry ok I believe,  you are god and are dreaming, ok? Sorry, please, don't do anything to me, I promise I believe. What I said wrong? Tell me and I'm deleting. What was offensive? That about meditation? Please don't do nothing to me , was a joke, I'm god and meditation is good, or it's bad? Just tell me , please. 

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Careful now. Don't  stab yourself in the foot.  Is this not dogma?

More bullying? Ok, ban my account. It's the level here, congratulations. It's sad, but this is what we can find. That's why spirituality is what it is, a joke

Anyone who's reading this can read my posts in this thread, see if are offensive or low quality 

Edited Monday at 09:16 AM by Breakingthewall

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Look im sorry ok I believe,  you are god and are dreaming, ok? Sorry, please, don't do anything to me, I promise I believe. What I said wrong? Tell me and I'm deleting. What was offensive? That about meditation? Please don't do nothing to me , was a joke, I'm god and meditation is good, or it's bad? Just tell me , please. 

Keep your worldview.  The problem is I want to see it.  Inifnity unfolds is not a satisfying answer.  You have to do better in my book.  But who am I. Not much in the scheme of things.

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Keep your worldview.  The problem is I want to see it.  Inifnity unfolds is not a satisfying answer.  You have to do better in my book.  But who am I. Not much in the scheme of things.

Maybe you just don't understand what I'm pointing or doesn't resonate with you. It doesn't means that you should tell me: be careful, or I'm going to hit you because I'm on power position and you don't 

Well, just my opinion. Btw, what wrote yesterday is quite high quality, objectively. Without the slightest bullshit. 

Edited Monday at 09:26 AM by Breakingthewall

[James123]

32 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

That's not enlightenment but it's impossible to show you nothing because the basis of your psyche is the need of being enlightened. 

Enlightenment is end of mind chattering. Therefore, realizing what You really are.

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Keep your worldview.  The problem is I want to see it.  Inifnity unfolds is not a satisfying answer.  You have to do better in my book.  But who am I. Not much in the scheme of things.

quote any post that is wrong in your opinion, then I'm going to explain you deeply why I wrote this. Everything that I write is with a background, and can be developed. Try. 

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

Enlightenment is end of mind chattering. Therefore, realizing what You really are.

No, the stopping of mind chattering can help with the openess to the nature of existence, but it doesn't implies enlightenment . You define enlightenment like Ralston, no mind and direct perception. That's not enlightened, it's just a mental State 

[Breakingthewall]

23 minutes ago, James123 said:

Enlightenment is end of mind chattering. Therefore, realizing what You really are.

I'll give you a clear example. Just now, I spent approximately five minutes in absolute mental silence, without a single articulate or conceptual thought. But the entire time, there was a state of alertness in the background. It's 11 a.m. and I'm at the gym. In half an hour, I have to run some errands for work. So, in addition to the articulate mental noise, there's an underlying tension of alertness.

If you understand how your psyche works, you'll know there are many energetic layers beneath the surface. Once, for a month, I took strong psychedelics every day. This was helpful in beginning to understand the layers of the psyche. It's not so simple. You need a lot of understanding about how fear and desire closes. Not conceptual understanding, direct, see them and identify what they are, same than you can see a stone falling, you don't need to conceptualize to understand what's happening 

Edited Monday at 09:51 AM by Breakingthewall

[Natasha Tori Maru]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I'll give you a clear example. Just now, I spent approximately five minutes in absolute mental silence, without a single articulate or conceptual thought. But the entire time, there was a state of alertness in the background. It's 11 a.m. and I'm at the gym. In half an hour, I have to run some errands for work. So, in addition to the articulate mental noise, there's an underlying tension of alertness.

Just pointing out you state you were in absolute mental silence but alert & then thinking all these things. Thinking 11AM. Even thinking about the future 'in half an hour' - which doesn't exist and isn't in your direct experience. You were conceptualizing the whole time.

That isn't mental silence.

Edited Monday at 09:51 AM by Natasha Tori Maru

[Breakingthewall]

28 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Just pointing out you state you were in absolute mental silence but alert & then thinking all these things. Thinking 11AM. Even thinking about the future 'in half an hour' - which doesn't exist and isn't in your direct experience. You were conceptualizing the whole time.

That isn't mental silence.

Maybe you didn't understand the process. During those 5 minutes I was in mental silence, I wasn't thinking nothing of 11 or work, but later I thought about those 5 minutes and I realized that there was a barrier, then I thought (because I was thinking, after those 5 minutes) about it and I wrote that of the 11 morning as a possible explanation about that barrier to give an example about silence and closeness.

 

Edited Monday at 10:21 AM by Breakingthewall

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Breakingthewall Barrier of what?

If you were in total mental silence, you would have an experience where your ''self'' was absent. In that moment past and present cannot exist. What does after the 5 minutes, when you start thinking again, have anything to do with the period of thought cessation? Is this the barrier? 

I just don't see what your example is trying to say in reply to @James123

All I have as my truth is - you cannot reach enlightenment while any thought is occurring. If thought is occurring, you are experiencing anything but the NOW. You are conceptualizing. Which immediately puts you in the future or the past. Which don't exist. Not in your experience, not in anyone's. Thinking robs you of direct experience

[James123]

52 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I'll give you a clear example. Just now, I spent approximately five minutes in absolute mental silence, without a single articulate or conceptual thought. But the entire time, there was a state of alertness in the background. It's 11 a.m. and I'm at the gym. In half an hour, I have to run some errands for work. So, in addition to the articulate mental noise, there's an underlying tension of alertness.

That's not what it is, any senses must be vanishes.

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

No, the stopping of mind chattering can help with the openess to the nature of existence, but it doesn't implies enlightenment . You define enlightenment like Ralston, no mind and direct perception. That's not enlightened, it's just a mental State 

If you can not think, what is left?

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

If you can not think, what is left?

A lot of layers of fear and alert that are beyond the structured thought 

[James123]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

A lot of layers of fear and alert that are beyond the structured thought 

One must realize that entire structure of the universe is thought.

[Breakingthewall]

14 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

you were in total mental silence, you would have an experience where your ''self'' was absent. In that moment past and present cannot exist. What does after the 5 minutes, when you start thinking again, have anything to do with the period of thought cessation? Is this the barrier? 

If you are in total silence, there is still barrier. It's easy to be in mental silence if you practice meditation, anyone who does can after a while. But that doesn't implies that your being is open. That's why people try 5meo, 1000 ug of LSD and those things. To break the barrier.

 

15 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

you cannot reach enlightenment while any thought is occurring. If thought is occurring, you are experiencing anything but the NOW.

The thoughts are happening in the now, are the now. Enlightenment is not silence and direct perception of the now, is the opening to the real substance of the reality.

 

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

One must realize that entire structure of the universe is thought.

That's just an idea. Enlightenment is openess, believe me. It's in another plane. Maybe anyone gets it as an intuition, and doesn't get stuck in the idea of no thought as enlightenment as I was for long time